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Best none poly or nitro finish on body

Doughboy

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I have a black Limba build on the way & I want to use a none poly or nitro finish on the body to let it breath more & hopefully sound more open & organic. I'm wondering what compounds people have used with success?

I bought some Warwick surface finisher but am open to whatever works best.
 
Well, for starters, a solid-body guitar is unlikely to "breathe" in the way that one presumably expects of an acoustic instrument.  The body is supposed to be an inert chunk of wood, and is not responsible for the sound of guitar in any but an attenuated way.  Your electric guitar's sound comes from the strings disturbing the magnetic field of the pickup, as opposed to an acoustic instrument, whose sound is generated by the string inducing sympathetic vibration in the body wood, especially the top.  As such, the thickness of your finish is really unlikely to have a discernible effect.


That having been said, it sounds like you have a preference for a very light, low-luster finish, and you should definitely pursue what you want, rather than listen to some internet yob prattling on about whether wood breathes. 


The Warwick product appears to be predominantly beeswax in an oil emulsion, which is likely not to be a particularly durable finish, but very easy to repair.  If that's okay with you, your work is done.  But there are also poly finishes you might consider.  Wipe-on or gel poly coatings can be extremely thin, and are very easy to apply. THey are not the thick, hard-as-nails finishes you get out of Warmoth or Fender's non-custom-shop axes - you lay them on very, very thin, and they build very slowly.  This allows you a great deal of control, and ensures you won't over-apply the finish.  The are available in a variety of sheens from matte to gloss, but the gloss won't really ever get up to a factory-applied and machine-buffed look unless you kill yourself to get there (i.e., expend tons of elbow grease, or get your hands on a decent quality buffer yourself).  Folks around here have had good luck with Minwax satin poly for both necks and bodies.  The Minwax product also has the advantage of being available at your local hardware store, unlike lacquers and other specialty wood finishes.
 
Bagman67 said:
the gloss won't really ever get up to a factory-applied and machine-buffed look unless you kill yourself to get there (i.e., expend tons of elbow grease, or get your hands on a decent quality buffer yourself).

OR if you used some of this for your final pass. available online or any decent auto supply shop, and one bottle will last you the lifetime of the average hobbyist / builder.
I have used it on poly, nitro, tru oil, reviving plastic pickguards, you name it....
Oh, and it is also silicon free


http://www.prestaproducts.com/Swirl_Remover-details.aspx
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So you guys don't think the kind of finish affects the guitar's tone at all?

I've assembled quite a few none finished warmoth builds where they sounded clear & bell like & then had them finished with even a thin coat of nitro & the even with the same hardware they didn't have that extra chime & sparkle. That's why I think the finish does affect the tone to a certain degree.
 
Doughboy said:
So you guys don't think the kind of finish affects the guitar's tone at all?

I've assembled quite a few none finished warmoth builds where they sounded clear & bell like & then had them finished with even a thin coat of nitro & the even with the same hardware they didn't have that extra chime & sparkle. That's why I think the finish does affect the tone to a certain degree.
I feel finish does change the tone. How much, I wouldn't know. Maybe the best is to have roasted maple neck and something with less finish. Roasted ash would probably just be a charcoal brickette so maybe you have the solution. :icon_thumright:
 
The power of suggestion is not to be underestimated.

On an acoustic guitar, you're relying on the vibration of the wood in sympathy with the strings, as well as the interior configuration and bracing to produce the sound. Anything you do to damp that, whether it's wood species, configuration, mechanical design, finish, etc. is going to change its tonal character, frequency response and loudness.

On an electric, you don't have that. The body has too much mass to be affected by string vibration very much. Not that it doesn't occur, but it's minimal. Then, adding a couple ounces of finish to it (regardless of type) is like throwing an ounce of dye into a lake and expecting the whole lake to noticeably change color.

On an electric, if you want to effect a big change, get some different pickups. For a little less but still noticeable change, get a different neck (different wood species or profile). Next would be the bridge. Then, the neck joint, then the scale length. Probably should consider strings as well. Past that, changes get to be pretty tiny, to the point where pursuing them is an exercise in futility.
 
rgand said:
Doughboy said:
So you guys don't think the kind of finish affects the guitar's tone at all?

I've assembled quite a few none finished warmoth builds where they sounded clear & bell like & then had them finished with even a thin coat of nitro & the even with the same hardware they didn't have that extra chime & sparkle. That's why I think the finish does affect the tone to a certain degree.
I feel finish does change the tone. How much, I wouldn't know. Maybe the best is to have roasted maple neck and something with less finish. Roasted ash would probably just be a charcoal brickette so maybe you have the solution. :icon_thumright:

On the few times I've assembled none finished Warmoth builds & then finished & assembled them again, I found a noticeable lack of high end chime & sparkle.

This is why I want to try a wax finished body this time & see what happens.  But really, it's all a crap shoot as to what something will sound like once it's all said & done.
 
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