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when i bend i have always used my palm for support.

i have small hands.

over a period of time i have noticed that the practice of using my palm for support while playing/bending, has adversely affected my playing : when you use the palm the fingers go slightly out of position and you have to bring the fingers back into position after the bend and that has its effect in cutting down speed. even if you are not using the palm at that moment the very practice makes your hand position in such a way that the fingers are not in the right position to play effectively.

any insights on this?
 
How do you mean that you are using your palm as support? Which part of the palm are you using and where are you using it on the neck to support your bending?

You say that after a bend, it takes a bit of time to get your hand back into position to resume playing in an effective manner. It sounds like that you are looking for a description of another technique to use bend without losing your hands fingering position so that you can play faster, am I right?
 
Never thought about that before... I had to pick up a guitar and play for a minute to know how I do it! I use my thumb. I tried using my palm, but the result wasn't good.

How long have you been playing? The longer you've been at it, the tougher it's gonna be change a habit. You should really try anchoring with your thumb. I've done it for so long, my hand automatically adjusts as needed.
 
I'm not that much of a bender at this point in my playing, but I too unconsciously move my thumb to support bends and bar chords.
 
not really sure how you're doing bends, but when I play the palm of my hand never really touches the neck of the guitar. My thumb is either on the back of the neck or over the top, and the bottom knuckle pad of my hand touches the bottom edge of the neck. I have a hard time bending strings (or just playing normally) and making the palm of my hand touch the neck.
 
I have a question, how far are you bending these strings that you need support?

I play a lot of blues and do not resort to taking the thumb off the back of the neck for bends.

do you bend strings to a set tone, or just bend them not knowing what you are going to?
 
Seems to me you need a good slap with a ruler from an instructor to get that thumb where it needs to be. 

And having said you have small hands, I think that would almost force you to place your thumb on the back of the neck. I play just like drex, thumb in the back and sometimes over the top.

But theres been a lot of GREAT players that self taught and learned what most would call bad habits and made it work
 
Alfang said:
Seems to me you need a good slap with a ruler from an instructor to get that thumb where it needs to be. 

And having said you have small hands, I think that would almost force you to place your thumb on the back of the neck. I play just like drex, thumb in the back and sometimes over the top.

But theres been a lot of GREAT players that self taught and learned what most would call bad habits and made it work
me too
 
I am self-taught as well, so is it generally bad form if your thumb comes around the neck?  Should your thumb always be parallel to the neck, and resting on the back of it?
 
Firebird said:
I am self-taught as well, so is it generally bad form if your thumb comes around the neck?  Should your thumb always be parallel to the neck, and resting on the back of it?

I thought it was perpendicular to the neck, never parallel. :dontknow: That's not a knock against you, by the way; I'm self-taught as well, and this is just what I've heard/read. 
 
I usually have mine perpendicular, but every time I need a little support I grab the neck with help from my thumb.  My thumb is generally partially wrapping around the neck, and I think that is a bad habit from what I have been told.
 
Yeah, I do the same thumb-over-the-top thing. I've been told it's bad, but it seems like most people do it. I'm sure it's part of the reason I'm not awesome.  :laughing7:
 
it depends on what you're playing. If you're playing rock and blues licks, chances are you thumb is going over the top. My hand changes position depending on what I'm doing. Fast scales and certain chords work better for me with my thumb on the back of the neck. It really just depends on what works for you.
 
Firebird said:
I am self-taught as well, so is it generally bad form if your thumb comes around the neck?  Should your thumb always be parallel to the neck, and resting on the back of it?

It's bad form, but it still happens. You should practice keeping the thumb behind the neck, and never fret with it. Once you can play by the rules, then you can break them. But, the default should be to do things right, otherwise you will limit your abilities over time.
 
Cagey said:
Firebird said:
I am self-taught as well, so is it generally bad form if your thumb comes around the neck?  Should your thumb always be parallel to the neck, and resting on the back of it?

It's bad form, but it still happens. You should practice keeping the thumb behind the neck, and never fret with it. Once you can play by the rules, then you can break them. But, the default should be to do things right, otherwise you will limit your abilities over time.

I never have fretted with my thumb, but I should double check myself and my form.  Probably the only time my thumb was ever in the right place was when it had been injured.
 
when chording, there are many uses for thumb over the top. Many great players have done this, but when playing single notes and needing to move fast on the neck, thumb on the back is preferred method. And it is something easily corrected.
Bad habits are not dead ends, you can learn correctly, it just takes will power as at first you will say to yourself that I do it easily this way why change, but once changed and seeing the benefit it becomes evident why. You just need to get over the effort it will take to relearn.
Kinda like a ball player,you get a guy who does it one way and has success in little league, now his 2 buddies who are not as good go off to baseball camps and play school ball where they get professional training instead of the local sport nut father of so in so being coach in little league. They learn to correct this and that and the next thing you know they are playing in college or in the minor league. While the guy who was good in Little league, but got no formal training went on being able to do it at a certain level, maybe better than a lot, but never made the JUMP that can be made with training of proper technique.
Same thing happens with music, there are 2 things you learn that make you so much better than others if you just practice, first is proper technique so it is easy, second is theory so you fully understand what you are doing.
Walk into a Jazz Jam session, they will say ok we are going to play this song in the key of such an such, they pass out a chord chart, that chart does not have chord names on it, it has chord numbers like llm7, lVdim,  and it says Nat.min, then the drummer strikes a beat and they all take off.  all the info they need is on the chart, the rest is from Knowing Music and theory.

It is just a mater of where you want to be. Not everyone wants to be Fluent. Most are comfortable being able to play the music they heard in High School the rest of their lives,playing around campfires and stuff. the next group go out and end up in bands till they are 24 or 25, then there are the guys who go out and Jam till they are 50, My gorup is those who play in bands all their lives, just messing around and having a blast. then there are the professional musician.
And besides that are rock stars, most of who will have a career 3 albums and then fade out to the where are they now file, they make some good money but end up squandering it all thinking it will be coming in forever.  Rock Stardom is pure luck and many are rather poor musicians, but stardom does not require a lot of talent, just good luck. Just look at Tom Delonge.
 
Now that I pick up a guitar I notice my thumb goes straight to the back of the neck when I do bar-chords.  My thumb releases from the back then goes perpendicular when normally playing, but doesn't wrap around the neck.  My thumb just moves when I play, but I'm not touching anything...I don't know if that's the right way of doing it, but when my thumb is on the very back of the neck I feel like I can't move my hand fast enough. :dontknow:
 
Proper form is for guitar teachers and youtube wannabes....

Seriously though, do whatever's comfortable. I switch between "Proper" and "bastard" constantly while I play. Whatever gets the notes hit at the right time.
 
Proper:

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Clapton:

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and unrelated.... the Clapton bird:


 
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