AxeFX Demo - One of the best I've seen yet.
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kboman said:
All nice units, but the AxeFX one allows you to see the tuner. Important for me because I'm a fan of super fast setup and don't want a tuner kicking around with bad batteries in it etc.
I'm starting to be of two minds WRT the AxeFX. I know I'm going to get one, but I don't know if I'm going to do the full super rack with power conditioner, wireless, peterson strobe tuner, etc, or just the AxeFX and a pedalboard. If I go the latter way, I need that tuner thingy in the thing, man.
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Death by Uberschall said:
Not shipping yet.
Its been "almost ready" for over a year now LOL.
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kboman said:
Good for very basic stuff. Not near as advanced as LF, Gordius or the upcming Fractal.
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mayfly said:
You get tuner, tap, groupings of effects etc with both the LF and Gordius.
I use my LF tuner and tap tempo all the time. It also syncs effect block status, so it knows if an effect, or effect group is off/on/absent for each patch and siplays it accordingly.
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Just realized that the term "grouping of effects" may not be understood. So a quick explanation .
Lets say you have this patch that natively uses a drive block (drive block 1), and amp, a cab, a peq (peq 1), a delay (delay 1) and a verb (verb 1).
In the patch, but bypassed are another drive (drive 2), a null filter for +6db increase, and another peq (peq 2).
You can easily program 1 button, that when you hit it:
turns off drive 1, peq 1 and verb 1
and turns on drive 2, the null filter and peq 2
This is quite useful for having a single button to go from a rythym sound to a lead, etc.
The possiblities are very far reaching.
Personally I largely have my LF set up as a large stomp box with 6 patches per bank, with the other buttons controlling various CCs.
IE:
Vol dec
Vol inc (these allows you to on the fly adjust and level patch volumes with a save feature)
Tap Tempo
Tuner
Pitch (cool things here)
a couple verbs
a couple drives
Comp
Chorus
a few delays
boost (a null filter that adds what ever db you want, I set mine at 6db)
then I have 2 expression pedals
one does output volume, so decreasing volume has no impact on gain or tone
the other handles wah, whammy, etc
keep in mind, that say drive 1, is just drive 1. Drive 1 can be a different drive model with different settings in each and every patch
Lets say you have this patch that natively uses a drive block (drive block 1), and amp, a cab, a peq (peq 1), a delay (delay 1) and a verb (verb 1).
In the patch, but bypassed are another drive (drive 2), a null filter for +6db increase, and another peq (peq 2).
You can easily program 1 button, that when you hit it:
turns off drive 1, peq 1 and verb 1
and turns on drive 2, the null filter and peq 2
This is quite useful for having a single button to go from a rythym sound to a lead, etc.
The possiblities are very far reaching.
Personally I largely have my LF set up as a large stomp box with 6 patches per bank, with the other buttons controlling various CCs.
IE:
Vol dec
Vol inc (these allows you to on the fly adjust and level patch volumes with a save feature)
Tap Tempo
Tuner
Pitch (cool things here)
a couple verbs
a couple drives
Comp
Chorus
a few delays
boost (a null filter that adds what ever db you want, I set mine at 6db)
then I have 2 expression pedals
one does output volume, so decreasing volume has no impact on gain or tone
the other handles wah, whammy, etc
keep in mind, that say drive 1, is just drive 1. Drive 1 can be a different drive model with different settings in each and every patch
If im gonna be brutally honest, although these things sound amazing, i would rather spend £800 on an amp and multi fx unit. and feel the power.
to get the same effect you would need to buy axe fx, and a poweramp, and a couple of decent cabs/speakers. thats gonna skin you anything between 2000-5000, I dont have that kind of dosh and im not even willing to entertain the idea of saving for one. it seems like wasted money to me. if i had a budget of 5K axe fx wouldn't be my first choice of gear. I think its great as a studio application and with the right tools, live aswell.
But heres the thing that bugs me, I'm big on simplicity cause im lazy as hell. when im setting up gear i dont like having to poor through a million options cause i would always feel like im not getting the most out of the unit. I would spend more hours trying to find a way to make a tone sound better or different rather then playing. Any device that stops you from playing your guitar in favour if tinkering with options is a little bastard IMO
to get the same effect you would need to buy axe fx, and a poweramp, and a couple of decent cabs/speakers. thats gonna skin you anything between 2000-5000, I dont have that kind of dosh and im not even willing to entertain the idea of saving for one. it seems like wasted money to me. if i had a budget of 5K axe fx wouldn't be my first choice of gear. I think its great as a studio application and with the right tools, live aswell.
But heres the thing that bugs me, I'm big on simplicity cause im lazy as hell. when im setting up gear i dont like having to poor through a million options cause i would always feel like im not getting the most out of the unit. I would spend more hours trying to find a way to make a tone sound better or different rather then playing. Any device that stops you from playing your guitar in favour if tinkering with options is a little bastard IMO
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elfro89 said:
I fully agree!
Its just that this (AXE-FX) is so much more easier and simpler than setting up 3 amps and cabs, dicking around with 27-30 different mikes to find right 6 for the 3 amps to get the correct sound to FOH for the room, not to mention the pedalboard that while large, cant easily be altered on the fly.
If I was running just 1 amp, and playing for fun or out ocassionally, as well as not needing a fairly large range of tones, it wouldn't be a big deal. But thats not the case.
At minimum I was loading in and out all that stuff referenced twice a week. I was getting asked to include a guitar synth as a possiblity. No WAY I was going to carry MORE stuff.
Now its just a line out to the FOH. For monitoring I have 2 options. I can use my QSC or I can use a FOH feed back to me. I do not use a power amp per se'. The power is in the QSC or FOH.
Not to mention, now I have more than 3 amps and cabs at disposal.
To each their own and thats ok, but I am loving it.
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Checked out the liquid foot Jr - looks like it would be just the ticket for me. 7 presets plus a tuner button - all good.
that and a 3 RU box for the axeFX and the furman and life would be grand. I could probably stuff the pedal and all cables into the same box and be happy.
that and a 3 RU box for the axeFX and the furman and life would be grand. I could probably stuff the pedal and all cables into the same box and be happy.
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mayfly said:
There are a fair amount of people doing fly dates with the AXE in a soft case along with a LF Jr (in the same case). If I had a more defined tonal need (its really broad now), I would be all over that type of setup.
You thought the Fractal was big? The LF Pro is bigger, so for your need, stay away from it.
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Mayfly, here is a good How To page for the LF Jr
http://www.voes.be/liquidfoot/jr/index.html
http://www.voes.be/liquidfoot/jr/index.html
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I read you man,
If I was a touring session musician with the spare cash, this does sound like a good option. For those bedroom guys who have the cash, definitely. But im just a skint student hoping to go pro one day
so for me this is just not an option unless a rediculasly large some of money flies my way. the only thing i would add to what you are saying would be that if you've had the opportunity to be in a studio often then you can kind of get an intuition into how a specific amp will sound through different mic placements, and with alot of experience, through different mics too. If they were able to bring out a device that was about £700 without the feeling like im missing out on the bigger toys then i would definitely buy one, but the truth is I don't have the cash and I can't be assed to save the dosh for all the stuff i would need to use it. Its just not a viable option.
On another side note once you get used to your gear you can pretty much dial in any specific sound you need and then just change the way you play guitar to acheive the style or emulate a peticular person. I think a big part of a good musicians skill should be to get the sound needed to get the job done. (obviously the axe-fx does this amazingly well to compliment a musician)
heres a great example of what i mean, i beleive this was all done on 1 guitar and 1 amp + whatever fx. Just the way we play i think creates the "sound" we need.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaIzEo013iI
Heres a bunch of samples from the guitar techniques magazine hes done over the years, just listen to that satch cover, you would actually think it was him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFsKzhSzp9Q
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Liquidfoot is a one man co, and its not his FT job. It was really solid.
So far this year, Jeff (the owner) seems over stretched on time which leads to him not being real responsive. I know he has been having to travel for his real job.
As well he is having some vendor issues (Jeff has had times where he can't get parts in qty and on time).
I know this as I had to have him service my LF Pro this year.
Overall, great product, though shakey support right now.
Hopefully it will get better like it use to be.
So far this year, Jeff (the owner) seems over stretched on time which leads to him not being real responsive. I know he has been having to travel for his real job.
As well he is having some vendor issues (Jeff has had times where he can't get parts in qty and on time).
I know this as I had to have him service my LF Pro this year.
Overall, great product, though shakey support right now.
Hopefully it will get better like it use to be.
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