Amp plugins, IR's, Sims.

TonyFlyingSquirrel

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For recording, I used Line 6's POD Farm with good results for several years, but when I switched to Mac, got Pro Tools and the subsequent upgraded interface, I lost POD Farm and have been recording with my POD HD500X, with good results, but I miss being able to just pull up a plugin on the computer and get going when I have tracks that don't need expression pedal active, i.e.; volume swells or was-pedal use.

I've been checking out 3 in particular recently.

The first is STL Tones. 2 particular bundles. One of them is the Howard Benson bundle, and the 2nd is the Will Putney Bundle. I like some of their productions and mixes, but I found the Will Putney bundle to be the most useful to my application, and it leans towards my favorite high gain amps, the Bogner Ubershaal and the Diesel VH-4. While I found the distortion pedals used in the front end of these amps a bit too hot for my taste, once I dialed them back a bit, I was able to get some very useful tones that felt like the real deal, as I have some experience with each of these amps and know how they react, and the ability to have 2 amps simultaneously for a truly stereo rig. The Will Putney bundle can be found here, and a 10 day free demo version is available for download, which is how I evaluated it. https://www.stltones.com/…/stl-tonality-will-putney-guitar-…

Next was the Positive Grid Bias Amp & FX bundle.
This is also a trial download and has some very extensive features such as the ability to custom build an amp by combining varying preamp, power amp, and power transformer combinations otherwise quite expensive and impractical outside of software. There are other features such as pre-eq and post-eq aside from the tone stack in the amp, the ability to move effects anywhere in the signal flow as desired, and the ability to have 2 amps simultaneously for a truly stereo rig. With a bit of tweaking, I was able to create some very usable tones that provided a great deal of flexibility.
Positive Grid's trial downloads can be found here:
https://www.positivegrid.com/demo/

Third, was Neural DSP Technologies: Nolly plugin. Nolly is the former bass player/engineer/producer of the Washington DC band Periphery, who spear headed the "Djent" sub-genre of Heavy Metal music a little over a decade ago. Nolly is well respected for amount of nuance that goes into his mixing and productions, and he is an expert in sound design on a variety of instruments. He is also quite handy with a soldering iron and has personally undertaken many very unique amp modifications over the years on his studio amps in order to get the kinds of tones out of his recording partners & clients. The GUI to the Nolly plugin is similarly simple in layout, but flexible enough to get a wide variety of sounds across multiple genre's, wether those tones are low, mid, or high gain in their application. This is one area where I think that the Nolly plugin stands out from among the other two plugins reviewed. With the Nolly plugin, I was actually able to grab about 5 presets directly from the library of some of my favorite amps and use them as my own. This is the very first time whether in a hardware device or software that I have been able to accomplish this result. The Nolly is far more nuanced in the attention to detail in the sound design in my observation of having experience with these amps modeled. It took a moment of scrolling through presets to find usable tones, and seconds in tweaking others to taste. The Post EQ (Graphic) is one of the more realistic graphics I've experienced in software. There is far less line noise in this plugin that the others, and the noise gate is far less quirky, reminiscent of an older Drawmer rack mount noise gate from the early 90's. The delays and reverbs on the Nolly are pure sweetness, so clean and pure, and the delay is especially flexible in its sync/mono/ping pong assignments. A 14 day trial version of the Nolly plugin can be found here: https://neuraldsp.com/products/archetype-nolly/

Of all three plugins reviewed, only the Positive Grid bears any modulation effects, but the STL and the Nolly more than make up for this omission by the quality of their tones.

Of the three plugins reviewed, my pick goes to the Nolly.
Simply the best quality, ready to use tones upon launch, simple GUI, and tones that not only serve heavy genres well, but a variety of them with just these 4 amps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV_1cQ3vfKw
 
Great reviews - thanks.

Of those I have only tried the Positive Grid myself. It left me underwhelmed soundwise and I don't like their business model.

Full disclosure: I've been a Fractal Audio user - first with the Axe Fx II XL and now with the Axe FX III. So my comparisons are held up against that.

But I would really like to only use plugins - it suits my kind of workflow.

I have tried a lot of different amp plugins over the years. These are the ones that stood out to me:

https://line6.com/helix/helixnative.html

The plugin version of their hardware modeling platform. As far as amp sims goes I think the newer models from around firmware 2.0 and up are a lotter better than the old ones. Se chart here: http://dshowmusic.com/line-6-helix-amp-models/ Especially the Placater and the Revv sounds awesome. I use a AC30 Kida sound a lot - but I don't like the Line 6 offering. And I feel their cabs are not up to par with 3. party options. But they have a trial - give it a spin.

https://www.waves.com/plugins/prs-supermodels

Maybe the best sounding models in pure plugin form I have heard. Again the cabs are not all the way up to my liking. But that can be remedied with 3. party options.
I really don't like Waves' WUP - and some don't like iLOK - so that may be a dealbreaker for some.
But there's a demo - try it out.

Regarding IR's - there is a new way of dealing with that. The Mikko from ML Sound Lab: https://ml-sound-lab.com - it's much more than a IR-loader - more like shooting the IR's yourself - but all in a plugin and with better fidelity than any IR. And if you want to - you can export cab sounds as IR's for your favorite hardware later if you want to take on the road. There's also a demo of that.

I'm mostly using Axe FX + MIKKO - because I still think that the amp models in the Fractal unit has the upper hand. Same goes with the MIKKO for cab simulation. I do use Helix Native sometimes (with MIKKO). But I've stopped with Waves because of their business model.

For most other effects I use other plugins from Soundtoys, Eventide, Native Instruments and a lot of others.
 
I've literally been hearing nothing but great things about all the Neural DSP plugins (specifically the Nolly and Plini versions). I'm still rocking a pretty old laptop, so I haven't looked into them myself. Been mostly rocking a Helix.

When/if I upgrade my computer setup, I'm SERIOUSLY going to look into playing with some of these plugins. They're sounding so GOOD!
 
I use ProTools as well, and the Eleven plugin has some pretty good models.

The other virtual amps I use regularly are IK Multimedia's Amplitube bundle, and Wave's GTR (only because it came in the Platinum bundle).
Wave's GTR has some usable stuff, but Amplitube is much more versatile, despite not being able to load cab IRs.  What's nice with Amplitube is you can create 2 completely separate rigs to run in parallel or stereo.  Very usable.
 
stultzies9 said:
I've literally been hearing nothing but great things about all the Neural DSP plugins (specifically the Nolly and Plini versions). I'm still rocking a pretty old laptop, so I haven't looked into them myself. Been mostly rocking a Helix.

When/if I upgrade my computer setup, I'm SERIOUSLY going to look into playing with some of these plugins. They're sounding so GOOD!

I am still considering upgrading to the Helix for live use from my HD500X, but for recording, this is pretty stellar.
 
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