79/80s Warmoth or Boogie Bodies Gibson style headstock neck ?

[goodsound]

Hello !
During my search for parts for my project, it’s possible that I’ve found a treasure. A guitar neck with an “open book” headstock style like Gibson, featuring a turtle logo. Could this be the end of the Boogie Bodies series, or a neck made before Warmoth?
There is a stamped/embossed logo visible on the heel, typical of Warmoth, but the word “Warmoth” is not present. The turtle has vintage-style colors typical of the 1979/80 period. The neck is probably made of maple, and the headstock from birdseye maple. The use of this type of maple likely helps protect the headstock and neck from cracking.
The headstock dimensions differ from those of Gibson guitars. More details are in the photos: 9 cm (3.75 inches), nut width 43 mm, nut material bone or tusk.
I plan to use this neck for a double-cut body project, but not as a perfect copy of a Gibson double-cut or any other—likely my own design with two humbuckers. I will use mahogany (sapele) with a maple cap. I’ve already made two bodies from maple, so now it’s time for mahogany.
More information is in the photos.
Best regards.

 

[JohnnyHardtail]

That’s an odd choice for a strat. Even for a hardtail.

 

[rockandroller]

Cool find! the "black-foot" turtle dates it pretty good, there's a page on the Warmoth site about that somewhere

 

[stratamania]

This is in the incorrect sub forum, it should be in general discussion. I have requested for it to be moved.

 

[goodsound]

This is in the incorrect sub forum, it should be in general discussion. I have requested for it to be moved.

ok

 

[goodsound]

That’s an odd choice for a strat. Even for a hardtail.

I thing best choice if i look on head stock style , is double cut special style , with own modification-) even tremolo bridge )

 

[goodsound]

,,,I thing best choice if i look on head stock style , is double cut special style , with own modification-) even tremolo bridge ),,,,,,,,,, ..... but i yesterday check measure nad its 64.4 cm -its look like 25 inch scale ..some of customs Gibson us .. its normal strat style size ..early Gibson Invader model with bolt on neck had too 25 inch scale ...

 

[stratamania]

That is a 648mm or 25.5" scale based on what can be seen in the photo.

 

[goodsound]

Skala to 648 mm lub 25,5 cala, sądząc po tym, co widać na zdjęciu.

 

[goodsound]

I wonder about bridge size then .. standart LP or ???? .Gibson CS long scale had this size ,and proably Gibson Invader with bolt on neck ..the string spacing on the last fret is different. Maybe use a standard bridge but change the angle to adjust the string spacing. Between ... Stil there is no response from Warmoth .com website support whether this neck was part of a Warmoth guitar or necks like this were sold as guitar parts.

 

[stratamania]

I wonder about bridge size then .. standart LP or ???? .Gibson CS long scale had this size ,and proably Gibson Invader with bolt on neck ..the string spacing on the last fret is different. Maybe use a standard bridge but change the angle to adjust the string spacing. Between ... Stil there is no response from Warmoth .com website support whether this neck was part of a Warmoth guitar or necks like this were sold as guitar parts.

It does not need to be more complicated than it needs to be. It is a 21 fret neck with a curved end and assuming it is a Warmoth, which appears it more than likely is it will have Fender heel dimensions like a Strat neck. So if you go on that basis that it is a Strat style neck with a different shaped headstock it would fit and work with any bridges such as are available for Warmoth bodies.

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If using a Tuneomatic style bridge, you would either have to recess it or use an angled neck pocket.

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[goodsound]

Thank you for help. angled neck pocket its good idea .. (duble cut with 1 piece maple top ) i was afrait about width lp v fender bridge (distance of string E1 to E6)

 

[stratamania]

Thank you for help. angled neck pocket its good idea .. (duble cut with 1 piece maple top ) i was afrait about width lp v fender bridge (distance of string E1 to E6)

The slightly narrower width of a TOM bridge just means your string spread will result in the E strings not being as close to the edge of the fretboard than with a vintage Fender width, for which there are also narrow spaced versions for that reason.

 

[goodsound]

Gnerally strings lines betwine nut and bridge should to be pararelly with neck edge on line nut-bridge .i check one morre nut size .. Maybe if 43mm onlys option for standard TOM its if i buy new tom saddles on bridge and cut new slots , or i made new nut and cut slots like for 42 or 40 mm width i saw somwhere .. man show like recon cheap or guitar .with no neck in line . E 1 E 6 strings was no parrarell with neck edge ..

 

[Shellcaster]

Do you have radius gauges? That looks like a straight 9.5 or 10 from the picture as far as I can guess lol. Without taking a neck off a guitar I would say I'm 80 percent certain I'm 65 percent sure that may be an old Warmoth neck. The mother of Pearl and Dot spacing looks right and the thickness of the old Indian rosewood fretboard does too... Bbbbuuutttt I've only ever had strat style necks so can't help yah there. But my curiosity is peaked

 

[goodsound]

Do you have radius gauges? That looks like a straight 9.5 or 10 from the picture as far as I can guess lol. Without taking a neck off a guitar I would say I'm 80 percent certain I'm 65 percent sure that may be an old Warmoth neck. The mother of Pearl and Dot spacing looks right and the thickness of the old Indian rosewood fretboard does too... Bbbbuuutttt I've only ever had strat style necks so can't help yah there. But my curiosity is peaked

Thank you _) if i can to beliwe in radius tester looks on 9.5 radius ,.on Edges fingerboard very smal gaps from about 5th to last fret (.but i thing its of use and maybe frets are original ,frets crow width 0.11 inch crown width ...jumbo then maybe in dunlop size version 6100 )neck thickness ( in place where is truss rod screw 1.029-1.03 inch totally (neck plus fingerboard ))i just still wonder like was look original body this guitar (if was from Warmoth) The logo was probably made using the same technique as cowboys used to mark their horses, i.e. burnt ( deep for black colors area 0.008 inch)So logo turtle but no a word Warmoth .. then maybe its neck from Boogie Bodies..Who know?......regards

 

[Shellcaster]

Thank you _) if i can to beliwe in radius tester looks on 9.5 radius ,.on Edges fingerboard very smal gaps from about 5th to last fret (.but i thing its of use and maybe frets are original ,frets crow width 0.11 inch crown width ...jumbo then maybe in dunlop size version 6100 )neck thickness ( in place where is truss rod screw 1.029-1.03 inch totally (neck plus fingerboard ))i just still wonder like was look original body this guitar (if was from Warmoth) The logo was probably made using the same technique as cowboys used to mark their horses, i.e. burnt ( deep for black colors area 0.008 inch)So logo turtle but no a word Warmoth .. then maybe its neck from Boogie Bodies..Who know?......regards

They used to brand the logo on the butt of the neck. "Back in the day" they originally only had 2 neck profiles, the current slim standard they have now and the original "boatneck" that was just over an inch thick. One of the major selling points on the "Warmoth construction" (now called "modern") was the extra thick fretboard, especially on the boatneck. You got mother of Pearl or back dots with clay on the total vintage necks only. I can't remember the exact prices but Warmoth maple 2 piece necks were under 200 with rosewood being 25 dollars more, Brazilian rosewood 50 more (oh how times have changed) and with ebony (always jet black) being 260 if I remember right because I always wanted to order a custom left handed one when it took me months to save up for a right handed one off "the throwback rack" (now called screaming deals )

Also, I know they made necks for Yamaha on certain guitars back in the day but I'm not sure if they did or for who else back then

While other kids were into cars, sports, and whatever I used to look at the old Warmoth catalog and dream thinking "one day" lol

 

[goodsound]

Kiedyś logo umieszczano na końcu gryfu. „W dawnych czasach” pierwotnie oferowali tylko dwa profile gryfu: obecny standardowy, wąski, oraz oryginalny „boatneck”, który miał nieco ponad cal grubości. Jednym z głównych atutów „konstrukcji Warmoth” (obecnie nazywanej „nowoczesną”) była wyjątkowo gruba podstrunnica, szczególnie w wersji boatneck. Na gryfach vintage'owych znajdowały się masy perłowe lub tylne kropki z gliną. Nie pamiętam dokładnych cen, ale dwuczęściowe gryfy Warmoth z klonu kosztowały poniżej 200 dolarów, palisander o 25 dolarów więcej, palisander brazylijski o 50 dolarów więcej (ach, jak czasy się zmieniły), a heban (zawsze kruczoczarny) kosztował 260 dolarów, jeśli dobrze pamiętam, bo zawsze chciałem zamówić wersję dla leworęcznych, kiedy zbieranie pieniędzy na prawą z „retro racka” zajęło mi miesiące (teraz nazywane „screaming deals” ).

Wiem też, że kiedyś robiono gryfy dla Yamahy w niektórych gitarach, ale nie jestem pewien, czy tak było i dla kogo innego w tamtych czasach

Podczas gdy inne dzieci interesowały się samochodami, sportem i wszystkim innym, ja oglądałem stary katalog Warmoth i marzyłem, myśląc „kiedyś” lol

-) 200 in 1980 its today about 800 USdol . I found lp style with the same logo on ,, revelb,, Maybe mensure is 25 ... or 24.75 .. i thing seller sdont know this specification https://reverb.com/en-pl/item/95024441-warmoth-les-paul-single-cutaway-guitar-body-usa-mahogany?bk=

 

[Shellcaster]

-) 200 in 1980 its today about 800 USdol . I found lp style with the same logo on ,, revelb,, Maybe mensure is 25 ... or 24.75 .. i thing seller sdont know this specification https://reverb.com/en-pl/item/95024441-warmoth-les-paul-single-cutaway-guitar-body-usa-mahogany?bk=

It could be either 24.75 or 25.5, if the seller doesn't know it is a gamble. The neck pocket is a strat style neck pocket sure but I cannot tell you the scale from a photograph looking at it on my phone. Unless that is the Honduran mahogany guitar body finished in that color of your dreams you're better off playing it safe and ordering something direct from Warmoth... Or at least buy that body first so you can measure it before you order/buy a neck and have it not match.

You can mix and match a lot of things on guitars but scale length is not one of them. A 25.5 scale neck will not work on a 24.75 body or the other way around. It will not intonate properly or even be able to be tuned.

 

[stratamania]

As I recall Warmoth bodies that were made in a Les Paul or derivative style, used a strat style pocket and a Warmoth conversion type neck would give you 24 3/4" scale or you could use a 25.5" scale neck. As long as you used a Strat style neck heel to fit the pocket the headstock shape is not relevant.

So the body linked on Reverb should work for either scale as Warmoth made these to work with either.

Gibson and Baritone Scale Conversion replacement necks for Fender guitars

Warmoth conversion necks allow you to change the scale of your electric guitar from the standard Fender to scale to either Gibson or Baritone scale, without having to make any modifications to the body.

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