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What is the longest anyone has waited to get their built to order delivered

Masteraxeman

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Mine is 6 month's and counting. Ordered in June,  had to re pick unique choice top because it did not pass QC that was July. Received damaged in Sept. Had to re pick top down to scraps. Now Dec and told I still have 1 to 2  weeks to wait. Wow ??? 
 
6 Months and counting?
You had to repick because of damage in Sept. As I count that’s 3 months at most.
 
Actually I wanted to continue the post title but it would not let me. It should have said in usable condition. I still don't have a body to put together and that is 6 months. Not my doing at all
 
Ahh. The post read as a 6 month wait for the W to deliver a body. I’m certain you wouldn’t want a body that didn’t pass QC. And we all know the damage shippers can do.
If it’s any consultation, I have a body that 11 years plus that still hasn’t made it to a playable instrument. That’s on me though. LOL
 
Masteraxeman said:
Actually I wanted to continue the post title but it would not let me. It should have said in usable condition. I still don't have a body to put together and that is 6 months. Not my doing at all

No, but damage in shipping isn't Warmoth's doing either. Sucks, I agree, and clearly, they do too, or else they wouldn't be remaking it, right?

I get that you're unhappy, but reading between the lines, it comes across that your frustrations are implying that Warmoth alone has completely dropped the ball on this order from Day 1.  I also realize that picking up intent and nonverbal cues from plain text across the Internet is impossible, so I'll preemptively apologize if I'm completely off-base in interpreting what you've written.
 
My concern on this is how they handle the issue. I should state that this was my first order so I'm trying to understand what is normal with them to decide if I ever use them again. I appreciate their QC as we all should. This guitar is going to be my retirement axe and a Covid project. I have worked in customer service and production work my entire life. The best lesson I learned on was "How you treat that unhappy customer matters more than how you deal with the happy ones". So you all know I did not pester them I waited my time as stated in their projected delivery times. Once we reached the delivery of damaged body 14 weeks from order date I would think Warmoth would now consider me a priority customer. When i talked to Customer service it sounded like I was. I would think at that point it would be appropriate to put that body to the head of the line in every stage of production to deliver it back to the customer ASAP but it seams to me they just put it in the back of the line just like a new order so you now have another 8-10 weeks or more in my case to wait again. That makes no sense to me as someone who has dealt with customers my entire life. Enlighten me please.
 
Warmoth lead times are not just your order sitting in line at the DMV waiting on it's number to be called. Paint in particular takes weeks for the process. I get you're upset, but it sounds like they're handling a setback dealt to them by the shipper the right way.
 
My experience is that for showcase items, it's about a month.  The longest I waited for custom stuff was about 3 months.  BTW, not a US resident, so that changes things.
 
swarfrat said:
Warmoth lead times are not just your order sitting in line at the DMV waiting on it's number to be called. Paint in particular takes weeks for the process. I get you're upset, but it sounds like they're handling a setback dealt to them by the shipper the right way.


The DMV analogy is a good one. It's not like each order is an individual number that waits its turn and then gets someone's full attention until it's finished. In a large manufacturing environment many things are done collectively and in batches, and it's simply not possible to, for example, rearrange the weekly finishing schedule to shoot a single body.
 
Thanks Aaron I understand the manufacturing process. I believe i had mentioned that it could be moved to the beginning of the Que or batch in every stage of process. I never assumed a guitar was made by one person through the whole process. (I have watched your videos). I understand you shoot 1 color per day per say depending on orders for that color. Mine is just a clear coat. I also understand that you are swamped in orders that's good for any company. I am just one customer in the thousands you now have. I paid my money, took my chances and lost.  A suggestion to Warmoth. I purchase from many different manufacturers that send the customers updates as their order moves through the stages of manufacturing this allows the customer to know exactly where they are rather than the 8 to 10 week which then becomes an expectation. This is simply done by attaching a bar code to the item or paper work that is scanned as it enters a process and update is sent automatically to the customer.
 
I’ve waited 3 months without any issues like you experienced - things can get backed up sometimes.

A six month wait doesn’t seem unrealistic especially right now when things are weird and W has said multiple times their volume is high.

In general, we have to be used to long lead times with custom orders anywhere and here is no exception, it’s part of what comes with getting a quality thing that is what you want.

Myself and I believe most folks here will attest that W is a great company and very straightforward and transparent about these things and does their best to treat us all fairly.
 
Thank you from what I'm getting from everyone is if you order from build your own you pay your money and forget about it you'll get it someday.......maybe and that's just what it is. So with that lesson I'll never order a custom order from them again. lesson learned. Thanks everyone for your input!
 
wow man - that's not the message we're trying to convey here  :)

I guess you made up your mind before posting?  :o
 
Masteraxeman said:
Thank you from what I'm getting from everyone is if you order from build your own you pay your money and forget about it you'll get it someday.......

I don't think anyone said that.
 
Masteraxeman said:
Once we reached the delivery of damaged body 14 weeks from order date I would think Warmoth would now consider me a priority customer. When i talked to Customer service it sounded like I was. I would think at that point it would be appropriate to put that body to the head of the line in every stage of production to deliver it back to the customer ASAP but it seams to me they just put it in the back of the line just like a new order so you now have another 8-10 weeks or more in my case to wait again. That makes no sense to me as someone who has dealt with customers my entire life. Enlighten me please.

Do you really want enlightenment or was that a rhetorical question?  Because you're also implying that none of us have dealt with customers our entire lives either.

You've made broad assumptions on one company's entire operations in both this and this post:

I purchase from many different manufacturers that send the customers updates as their order moves through the stages of manufacturing this allows the customer to know exactly where they are rather than the 8 to 10 week which then becomes an expectation. This is simply done by attaching a bar code to the item or paper work that is scanned as it enters a process and update is sent automatically to the customer.

Correlation does not equal causation.  You have your personal experience on how production runs operate.  However, that still doesn't mean that your anecdotal experience does or can apply to all.  Whether it's best-practice or not, companies are going to operate how they operate, even if it's not in the academically best manner (why there are degree programs and majors dedicated to studying supply chain, operations, process, and organizational management) or in line with how you think it should work.

As I said above, I get that you're upset.  I think you're letting that frustration and anger cloud your judgment and objectivity, however.

If your re-order gets moved to the front of the line, how many other customers get their orders delayed?  And by how long?  Suppose there's another Masteraxeman who's waiting on a custom order and has preconceived notions on how production should work. Does that MXM get priority over you or do you?  How does that decision get made?  I'm sure there's a flowchart that describes that decision-making process, but does the angry customer really give a damn about someone else's priority over theirs?

Suppose there's a collection of damaged-in-shipping orders that were called in at the same time that yours was.  Do they ALL get priority head-of-line treatment?  And if so, who's really at the head of the line?  Resources -- people, room to work, time, supplies, tools -- are finite.  Each bump-up in turn bumps down another project.

Or as a production facility, do you try to slide in this re-make in an appropriate place in the line-up so that it can get done  but minimize impact on every other order you're working on at that moment?  Because again, moving up every complaint to the head of the line no matter what means that eventually, every dissatisfied product will be at the head of the line, no matter how major or minor.  Then there's no priority anymore when everything is a top priority, and no more making new orders because you're constantly redoing previous orders.

It's like how I constantly get high-importance e-mails from certain people in my organization; at that point, nothing is really high-importance.

I hope you understand that I'm trying to present an alternative view point to this scenario from a more emotionally detached angle.  It does suck that as a first-time customer, this was your bad-luck experience.  I'm sure I'd be just as disappointed and frustrated if something I'd been excited to receive for months turned out to be less than spectacular (in fact, I have been -- not specifically with WM since I've only had two orders so far, but with plenty of other things in the past).

Especially if it's my first experience with a company that so many others have experienced success with.

If you haven't already made up your mind to walk away, it could be worth trying again later and just chalking this experience up to a confluence of pure bad luck, not intentional malfeasance or incompetence on the part of WM.
 
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