Warmoth LP options (UPDATED with semi-happy ending)

[jay4321]

Few questions regarding the Warmoth LP:

1) Are a double-bounds an option? [I know, this would mean doing away with the heel contour]

2) I see flame maple & quilt everywhere. Is a plain top out of the question? I never see these.

3) How the heck is this color not available:

Basically, I want to do a Baritone LP that looks like this. Can that happen? (And yes I realize that's got a flame top).

 

[jay4321]

That's really such a beautiful Epiphone. I don't think they offer their LP Custom in that color anymore.

 

[kboman]

Yeah that's a good looking Les Paul - very nice colour esp in the last photo. Sadly, I don't think double binding or plain maple are availiable but I could be wrong.

 

[tfarny]

I'll bet they've gotten requests for plain maple before - call them and ask. The binding, no I don't think the can. The color, you can get it painted by a number of other people to the color of your choice.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

Alder can pass as plain maple.  Good call on the Wine Red.

 

[simple]

Few questions regarding the Warmoth LP:

1) Are a double-bounds an option? [I know, this would mean doing away with the heel contour]

2) I see flame maple & quilt everywhere. Is a plain top out of the question? I never see these.

3) How the heck is this color not available:

Basically, I want to do a Baritone LP that looks like this. Can that happen? (And yes I realize that's got a flame top).

1) Probably can do that if the CNC program allows for a no contoured heel option.
2) Thick plain Maple tops are available from time to time. Same price as Flame. Call for availability.
3) That color looks a lot like trans brown. Our trans brown has a slight reddish hue like that.

 

[alexmyla]

i remembered i asked them if i could just have a plain maple or non flamed non quilted whatever in order to reduce the price as i wanted to paint a solid color over the top so grain pattern would be a waste of good wood. They told me that the price is all the same no matter if its plain or flamed. so i mean you might as well get it flamed or quilted if your goin with maple. or if u want a plain color choose one of the other woods that can be painted solid.

 

[-CB-]

Dunno about Epi, but Gibson's "wine red" has varied a lot.  They use the name "wine" red, but sometimes its REALLY RED, sort of bright and barely transparent, other times its almost brown.. a deep oxblood color, but more transparent.  Sometimes its sort of ancient SG red too.  I know red fades to brown, so maybe they're trying to "pre-age" the color sometimes?.  They've used it over maple, and mahogany... both.  It just varies depending on marketing conditions I guess.  

 

[Kostas]

i remembered i asked them if i could just have a plain maple or non flamed non quilted whatever in order to reduce the price as i wanted to paint a solid color over the top so grain pattern would be a waste of good wood. They told me that the price is all the same no matter if its plain or flamed...

I have a future solid color LP project and I was thinking about that too. Why waste a figured top?
Why the price is the same when you ask for a non figured top but it's not the same when you ask for extreme figured top  :dontknow:

 

[alexmyla]

i remembered i asked them if i could just have a plain maple or non flamed non quilted whatever in order to reduce the price as i wanted to paint a solid color over the top so grain pattern would be a waste of good wood. They told me that the price is all the same no matter if its plain or flamed...

I have a future solid color LP project and I was thinking about that too. Why waste a figured top?
Why the price is the same when you ask for a non figured top but it's not the same when you ask for extreme figured top  :dontknow:

:sad: i dunno buddy but it doesnt make sense lol.

 

[simple]

i remembered i asked them if i could just have a plain maple or non flamed non quilted whatever in order to reduce the price as i wanted to paint a solid color over the top so grain pattern would be a waste of good wood. They told me that the price is all the same no matter if its plain or flamed...

I have a future solid color LP project and I was thinking about that too. Why waste a figured top?
Why the price is the same when you ask for a non figured top but it's not the same when you ask for extreme figured top  :dontknow:

:sad: i dunno buddy but it doesnt make sense lol.

It makes a lot more sense when you factor in the labor and logistics of a high production environment. And every production environment has varying processes that affect the final price in different ways. From the outside the price disconnects with the wood at times but there are always solid reasons behind it.

 

[exalted]

It's still a carved top. Carved tops take extra work. It's not like they're charging $400 for basswood and $400 for 100-year old ash.

 

[jay4321]

It does look like trans brown a bit, but I've compared it from the photos of other Warmoths and it doesn't appear the same (I've seen it on mahogany mostly). But I can't tell you enough how much THIS color is perfect to me. This is one of those projects that would financially take the place of 2 maybe 3 others, so it would really need to be done right. It might even make more sense for me to buy the neck & body without any binding work and have that done w/ purfing and painted elsewhere. That's not the end of the world. I'm already drawing up custom inlays for the baritone neck so it's going to be pretty involved.

And =CB= you're very correct, wine red is all over the place from what I've seen.

 

[mullyman]

It's still a carved top. Carved tops take extra work. It's not like they're charging $400 for basswood and $400 for 100-year old ash.

Fair enough, but I think the point he was trying to make is that they said he could get plain old straight grained top that doesn't impress anyone for the same price as their flamed or quilted tops. Yet, if you request a more beautiful top they charge you more. So, in all fairness, charge the same for the beautiful top or lower the price for the ugly duckling top.
MULLY
doesn't have this problem, I like Strats

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

True, but I would bet most of the Maple they use for their tops has some type of Flame, Birdeye, or Quilt.  They are already receiving it, and it is priced like the market demands.  Prettier = more money.  They do not however get as many requests for plain Maple, so they don't keep it.  To get it is a special order = more money, or the same as the prettier Maple.  This is my guess, as I've never been a custom woods guitar parts manufacturer.  But like I mentioned in a previous post, Alder can pass for plain Maple.  If you want a plain Maple top for appearance only, go with Alder and tell everyone it's Maple.

 

[tfarny]

Some of the coolest real Pauls I've seen have had a plain maple top and a light honey burst...nothing wrong with plain maple.

 

[Mor Paul]

Thin, dark tobaccoburst on a plaintop can also look great.

 

[alexmyla]

Actually the ESP Eclipse II series made in japan (on the japan site) a few years ago had an amazing vintage tobacco finish on they're guitar. i wanted to buy it sooo bad but realized that i didnt have any cash at all....tear... if i find the link i'll post it. maybe try google its the one with Seymour Duncans not EMGs in it. and its not the one on the USA site with the bright sunburtst flame top.

 

[jay4321]

UPDATE: I got a pristine one from eBay like what you see in the OP. Still had the plastic on the pickguard... needs only a knob. (Will be changing out pickups and electronics of course, but still). Now I guess I have some other baritone options in color. This guitar is little dark when clean but real, real nice with gain. Pretty rare do I get something from ebay that's way better than expected, but this guitar is virtually new.

Getting back to one of my initial points, this has got to be a Warmoth color in the future. It's way too nice

 

[Nando Vallart]

Looks very good, congrats