Two humb for my next warmoth

[Bruno]

Mahogany solist body, bubinga/ebony neck (or goncalo/pauferro)
Strat tremolo (2 pivots), sperzel T/L tuners (or Kluson modern)  - all staggered...-
H-H
1V,1T and 5Way switch

Duncan vs J.Suhr

SH2N (JAZZ MODEL NECK) 9K
SH4 (JB MODEL BRIDGE) 17K

VS

SSV (neck) 9K
SSH PLUS (bridge) 17K

I listened to duncan samples
I've never heard *these* Suhr but online I read only wonders about them.

In your opinion? Rock, blues and a little bit of hard rock

 

[Doughboy]

The JB & Jazz are not a good combo, as the JB is way too powerful for the Jazz, imo.

The JB is also quite a harsh pickup, but will probably work ok in a dark sounding guitar.

I have a Jazz in the neck position of my strat & it's quite good but sounds even better when split into a single coil.

 

[rockskate4x]

I have no problems with my JB/Jazz combo. In any case I don't know why a company would sell two pickups as a set if they didn't work together.

 

[Doughboy]

I have no problems with my JB/Jazz combo. In any case I don't know why a company would sell two pickups as a set if they didn't work together.

That company happens to be Seymour Duncan. I had a JB/Jazz combo & it didn't work. I went for a 59/Jazz combo & it works much better.

The neck PU should bd 10-15% less output than the bridge for a perfect match. The Jazz is waaaaaay less output.

 

[erogenousjones17]

Isn't the JB/Jazz combo kind of a classic pair? In any case, it seems pretty common. I'm not arguing, since I really don't know, but I'm curious to know what makes you say it doesn't work.

 

[Doughboy]

Isn't the JB/Jazz combo kind of a classic pair? In any case, it seems pretty common. I'm not arguing, since I really don't know, but I'm curious to know what makes you say it doesn't work.

It's supposed to be a classic combo, but unless you want huge drops in volume & power when you switch back & forth, it's not a good combo, imo. I had a set in my guitar & the JB was too over powering. Replaced it with a '59 & it's much better matched now.

 

[Bruno]

Send a email to J.Suhr, because he advised me the Sunr combo pups  SSV(9K) and SSH+ (17K)  [like jazz&JB by duncan...]
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[erogenousjones17]

Isn't the JB/Jazz combo kind of a classic pair? In any case, it seems pretty common. I'm not arguing, since I really don't know, but I'm curious to know what makes you say it doesn't work.

It's supposed to be a classic combo, but unless you want huge drops in volume & power when you switch back & forth, it's not a good combo, imo. I had a set in my guitar & the JB was too over powering. Replaced it with a '59 & it's much better matched now.

Interesting. I'll keep that in mind next time I'm shopping for a set of HBs.

 

[AutoBat]

When I make a H-H axe it will contain at least one of these:
Lindy Fralin Pure PAF
Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates

 

[Doughboy]

Send a email to J.Suhr, because he advised me the Sunr combo pups  SSV(9K) and SSH+ (17K)  [like jazz&JB by duncan...]
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All I can say is try them out & if the volume & power drop doesn't bother you, then it's THE classic humbucker combo from the 80s.

I had a long conversation with Lindy Fralin last year when he was custom winding some PUs for me & he said that 10-15% underwinding for the neck PU is optimal for even power & volume & he was right, when I tried this out.

Back in the 80s the JB was THE high outpuck bridge PU & there was nothing like it in a neck version, so you made do with what was around, which accounts for the classic JB/Jazz combo.


Now a days, you have so many more options, but old habits die hard.

 

[stubhead]

Some people actually like a big boost for solos when they switch to the bridge. Because they only want to cope with two knobs and one switch, mis-matched pickups is one way to go. I am a big fan of the four-knob setup, ummm... all those golden classic Les Pauls had the same PU in both slots. And I like to be able to use the neck PU for solos. I've put concentric tone and volume knobs on several guitars, and put a Lawrence L500 in the bridge with a 3-way mini DPDT for parallel, series and single - it sounds like a really good Tele pickup when it's parallel or split. The output is way higher than the neck, but that's what the four knobs are for.

I usually leave the selector switch in the middle and work with the relative volumes. It's a bit tricky, but I've gotten very used to it. If you listen carefully to Duane Allman's solo in "Elizabeth Reed", or listen carefully to Page live or Jeff Beck in his Les Paul phase, you can hear they're all over the possibilities of the four knob setup. If you set the neck pickup's tone at 10 and volume at 8, set the bridge's volume and tone around 7, leave the switch in the middle, and only then set your amp for it's best tone, you have a lot of room to use just the guitar's knobs to affect the sound.

 

[Bruno]

Now a days, you have so many more options, but old habits die hard.

Of course, because sometime *old habits*  are the correct ones!!!

Change just to change?  :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

 

[Doughboy]

Now a days, you have so many more options, but old habits die hard.

Of course, because sometime *old habits*  are the correct ones!!!

Change just to change?  :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

It all depends on your tastes. I say give them a try & see if you like it. If not, you can always switch.

I like even sounding PUs so there isn't a huge drop in volume & power, but other like their bridge PUs to over power their neck PUs.


Also, I'd go for the Suhrs over the JBs. Better sounding, or if you're dead set on going Duncan, try the Warren DiMartini model, which is a JB with an Alnico 2 instead of a 5 for a smoother sound, but the same power.

 

[rockskate4x]

Now a days, you have so many more options, but old habits die hard.

Of course, because sometime *old habits*  are the correct ones!!!

Change just to change?  :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

It all depends on your tastes. I say give them a try & see if you like it. If not, you can always switch.

I like even sounding PUs so there isn't a huge drop in volume & power, but other like their bridge PUs to over power their neck PUs.


Also, I'd go for the Suhrs over the JBs. Better sounding, or if you're dead set on going Duncan, try the Warren DiMartini model, which is a JB with an Alnico 2 instead of a 5 for a smoother sound, but the same power.

i find it very strange that you would be having such dramatic drops in volume. Check the pickup heights perhaps? Double check your wiring job maybe?

 

[Strat Avenger]

1: The SH-2n Jazz is not 9k.

2: The JB does NOT sound "harsh".

 

[Bruno]

1: The SH-2n Jazz is not 9k.

You're right..
SH-2n Jazz (Neck): 7.72k, not 9k (from duncan website)

2: The JB does NOT sound "harsh".

I don't know, but the SH-4 (JB) is 16.4k not 17K.




p.s.:
Honestly I don't think that I wrote something so wrong as values in K.....

 

[stubhead]

It also greatly depends on the amp or systems you're planning on playing through. If you set any tube amp up where it's quite over-driven, when you increase the signal strength it's going to get more distorted, but not much louder. Tube amps are compressors to a greater or lesser degree. If any part of your rig is at capacity already  at the neck PU's output (speaker, buffered stompbox, digital converter etc.), adding more signal isn't going to get louder, just weirder.*


*(and not, necessarily, the GOOD kind of weirder....) ???

 

[Bruno]

I would like to clarify one thing: I do not have a preconceived idea about * K * of the pups.

I ask you because my habitat is *singolcoil pups*, so the humbucker is a new world for me.

I have a gibson les paul standard (BB pro neck and bridge): ok great sound but the neck pup've too many volume and bass compared to the bridge.

In practice I never use the bridge pickup  :doh:

 

[Strat Avenger]

I have a gibson les paul standard (BB pro neck and bridge): ok great sound but the neck pup've too many volume and bass compared to the bridge.

The SH-2 Jazz in the neck position would solve that problem.

 

[Bruno]

No no, news pups are x another guitar!