SG question

[rightintheface]

if i custom ordered an SG body, is it possible to not have the body contouring (i.e. like a flat top)? has anybody tried this?

i really dig the yamaha sgs, with the flat top style and binding. they look pretty swish, but the horns arent quite long enough. would warmoth do the standard sg as a "flattop" i wonder?

 

[Wana_make_a_guitar]

Do you mean without the beveling on the edges?

 

[rightintheface]

bevel, that's the word i was lookin for!

yeah, without the bevelling  :laughing7:. the idea being that it would be possible to do binding. and it would look different and kinda cool i reckon. either way it would be interesting.
satin black body, white binding, gold bridge and neck humbuckers, middle P-90, recessed TOM, gold hardware. raw wenge/ebony neck with block inlays


i'll have one of those with a side order of chilli fries

 

[-CB-]

You'll need to call up Warmoth, get hold of Ken via email (they'll give you his email addy). 

I'm guessing that the flat part is less of a problem than the binding.  You MIGHT get them to do "natural binding" though.

 

[Telenator]

Just make sure you get a heavy body! Anything less than 4 1/2 lbs and the guitar will be "neck-heavy" when put a strap on it and stand up. SG's are notorius for that!

 

[simple]

Just make sure you get a heavy body! Anything less than 4 1/2 lbs and the guitar will be "neck-heavy" when put a strap on it and stand up. SG's are notorius for that!

The standard Warmoth SG is 1 3/4" thick. That's 1/4" thicker than its O.E.M. counterpart so they are normally heavier though you can request the thinner version as an option. I can see how the thicker version would mimic the Yamaha SG.

You can get the SG without the bevels but binding would not be an option, unless you do as CB suggested, go with Natural Masked binding. This would be possible using a 1/4" thick laminate on top like what we use for Thinlines.

There would be some upcharges but so far it sounds like you could make it happen!

 

[Telenator]

Just make sure you get a heavy body! Anything less than 4 1/2 lbs and the guitar will be "neck-heavy" when put a strap on it and stand up. SG's are notorius for that!

The standard Warmoth SG is 1 3/4" thick. That's 1/4" thicker than its O.E.M. counterpart so they are normally heavier though you can request the thinner version as an option. I can see how the thicker version would mimic the Yamaha SG.

The fact that the strap button is also located just forward of the neck pickup, plays a big role in the balance as well requiring a heavier than normal body for the guitar to balance properly. There's nothing worse than trying to play a gig and having the weight of the guitar neck in your hand while you're trying to play. A balanced instrument is so very important yet, balance is almost never considered when people are building or buying. Strange.

 

[simple]

Just make sure you get a heavy body! Anything less than 4 1/2 lbs and the guitar will be "neck-heavy" when put a strap on it and stand up. SG's are notorius for that!

The standard Warmoth SG is 1 3/4" thick. That's 1/4" thicker than its O.E.M. counterpart so they are normally heavier though you can request the thinner version as an option. I can see how the thicker version would mimic the Yamaha SG.

The fact that the strap button is also located just forward of the neck pickup, plays a big role in the balance as well requiring a heavier than normal body for the guitar to balance properly. There's nothing worse than trying to play a gig and having the weight of the guitar neck in your hand while you're trying to play. A balanced instrument is so very important yet, balance is almost never considered when people are building or buying. Strange.

I just wanted to speak up and say that head dive does not bother some of us. I've had, and have a lot of guitars and some are neck heavy; meaning that if I let go of the guitar the neck slowly rotates head down. It just never really bothers me, on stage or studio. The only time it crosses my mind is during a show when I put both hands over my head. I just let it drop though and swing it back up when ready to play. I'm just not consciously aware of a feel or weight difference in my hand.  :dontknow:

 

[-CB-]

Just make sure you get a heavy body! Anything less than 4 1/2 lbs and the guitar will be "neck-heavy" when put a strap on it and stand up. SG's are notorius for that!

The standard Warmoth SG is 1 3/4" thick. That's 1/4" thicker than its O.E.M. counterpart

Actually..... current GIBSON SG's are 1-5/8, or at least both of mine are.

I've never had problem with neck-dive on an SG.  If need be, you can relocate the strap lug to the tip of the top horn.  That fixes it 100 percent.

 

[stubhead]

Neck dive is one of the last things I worry about also. I make my decisions 137.5% based on tone first and I personally find weight in the neck to be toneful - heavy tuners, double trussrods, big CBS doofus-heads, boatnecks, bring it on! arty07:

I know NOT how many of the vintageheads see it that way.... However I don't dance around on stage, pose Bowie-like, or pretty much ever even remove my hand from the neck, so I know it's me that's weird and not you that's weird - well, I don't know that either.... :icon_scratch: I do like guitars that don't dive, which is why I'd buy a Strat or Soloist shape long before an SG, but I don't buy anything for looks first anyway. Not since I was 19 years old and Carol Hervi broke my heart, at least. :sad1:

 

[guitlouie]

I have a 2001 Gibson SG that balances perfectly on a strap. I talked to it earlier and it is seriously offended that you would say otherwise.  I think that the "notorious" -ness of these allegations can quite often be traced back to EPIPHONE SG's which are just horrible all around.

 

[Wana_make_a_guitar]

I can't find and Yamaha SG's, only the SGB, which looks awesome!

 

[Telenator]

Well, having played SG's since the 70's and hand building guitars since 81, I guess I have become somewhat used to trying to avoid problems before they occur. I can't tell you how many friends of mine have gone to the music store, sat down and played an awesome sounding SG, only to get it home and find that it doesn't balance properly when you stand up and play it. Call me old but, I have enough trouble getting around on the guitar as it is without having to hold the neck up off the floor too!

I'm not slagging SG's here. Just trying to pass on some practical experience to someone who is considering a build. It's better to know this stuff now, than to possibly be disappointed $1000 later.

 

[Graffiti62]

The fact that the strap button is also located just forward of the neck pickup, plays a big role in the balance as well requiring a heavier than normal body for the guitar to balance properly. There's nothing worse than trying to play a gig and having the weight of the guitar neck in your hand while you're trying to play. A balanced instrument is so very important yet, balance is almost never considered when people are building or buying. Strange.
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Tell me about it--I had to borrow a friend's firebird one night for a small gig, and throughout the whole night, trying to keep that neck up and play at the same time made for a dopey looking image on stage.

 

[vtpcnk]

>Just make sure you get a heavy body! Anything less than 4 1/2 lbs and the guitar will be "neck-heavy" when put a strap on it and stand up. >SG's are notorius for that!

am i going to have this problem with my jazzmaster - the body only weighs like 4.2 lbs.

 

[Telenator]

You shouldn't have a problem with a 4.2 lb Jazzmaster as the strap button is on the upper horn and the body has sufficient weight. Get much below that though, and the many body shapes, not just SG's will have their necks pointing towards the floor.