new project

[Orpheo]

I'm thinking of a new project. I've figurd out the woods, and that is set. but now I've got to figure out the wiring and hardware. I know which pickups I'm gonna put in, and how i'm gonna wire that, but i'm also thinking of a piezo.

here are the specs of the guitar:

rosewood back
wenge top
pau ferro/bocote/bubinga/maple laminate neck
snakewood fingerboard, 22 superjumbo stainless steel frets
bloodwood binding with maple pinstripe

now, the trouble is:

should I take a tremolo or a tune o matic?
should I take a piezo? I've settled on graphtech, IF I take a piezo
should I take, if I take a piezo anyway, a ghost-system for synth, with all the add ons?

IF SO: should I just buy a Godin LGXT, and rip that hardware? when I do that, though, I need to rout some extra slots for the 4band EQ, meaning less lovely rosewood for the back.
I'm going to buy the bareknuckle pickups anyway, so thats already one thing down.
my goal:

having one great, sick MoFo axe, driping in tone and feel and vibe. simplicity is the key though (master volume, master tone, 3 way toggles for the pickups). a real p90 in the middle, not a humbucker-shaped p90 (unless Tim can 100% surely guarantee they will sound the same).

is the piezo (and synth) just one bridge too far?

 

[misplacedsanity]

I was thinking about exactly the same thing, especially with graphtech bringing out
a new piezo floyd rose bridge. I decided against it because as much fun as it was
planning all the cool sounds I could get with it I honestly don't think I'd use it much.
Also it means having quite a few extra switches and pots, and I much prefer a cleaner
less cluttered look for my guitars like you said: "simplicity is the key." 

 

[Orpheo]

I was thinking about exactly the same thing, especially with graphtech bringing out
a new piezo floyd rose bridge. I decided against it because as much fun as it was
planning all the cool sounds I could get with it I honestly don't think I'd use it much.
Also it means having quite a few extra switches and pots, and I much prefer a cleaner
less cluttered look for my guitars like you said: "simplicity is the key." 

my thoughts exactly. the more you have, the more can break. but still.. the idea keeps jumping around in my head.


but I think that I want WOOODDDD and not electronics. but I like to hear other opinions!

 

[onedrop]

Sounds like a sweet build, sort of similar to what I got in the works (wenge/rosewood with wenge/ebony neck).

Personally I would not go with the piezos, I contemplated this, but after almost buying a Godin LGX more times than I wish to count, and recently playing a guitar with the graphtec ghost system for several months, I've decided: 1. I don't really like how they sound, 2. I have an acoustic. 3. Guitar synths are not my bag, baby. (oh and #4, boy does it suck having a battery in your guitar)

It is kinda cool to blend in the piezo sound with the electric pups, but the extra cost and complexity are not worth it for me.

For synth type sounds I much prefer some of the ehx pedals like the hog, which don't require a special pup or piezo to function.

No idea on the tremolo/tom decision, depends how much you'll use it i guess; but if "simplicity is the key" i would say tom.

Have fun!!! :glasses9:

 

[SlingBass]

I subscribe to the KISS principle - but what would one expect from a heavy cable guy  :laughing7:

You're contemplating a beautiful array of woods!  I look forward to it, and wish you good fortune  :icon_biggrin:

 

[Orpheo]

I think simplicity is indeed the key. If i want multifunctions, I might be better of with a variax, sustainer and a synth module

 

[bpmorton777]

hey Orpheo, have you ever thought of making something other than single cut LP's? maybe it's time for a tele, strat or at leist a double cuttaway LP.

Brian

 

[Nando Vallart]

Hey dude!
About the Mississippi Queen in middle, ask Tim, he is very usefull always (beside he has short time, so short answers, no one page talk, just the important things...)

Are you putting Wenge top for look or for sound????
The neck is going to be multi-laminated or it's what you're thinking about?

 

[guitlouie]

Hey Orpheo,  before I say what I'm about to say, let me preface it with this...You are a highly entertaining guy, and you seem to be quite the experimentor, which I think is great, so I don't mean this in a bad or nasty way, but I have noticed that when you start thinking of something new and ask for suggestions, you then proceed to shoot down everything and anyone that comes your way....So what I think you should do is go with your gut feeling and do what your going to do in the end anyway!!!  With that said...here are my humble suggestions (for you to DENY):
1.  All that wood sounds incredible...do it, do it, do it.  2.  Go with the crazy synth stuff but forgo the trem.  For the synth stuff you need a rock solid bridge.  3.  Don't skimp on the real pickups that you are going to put in that thing, that way even if you find yourself not using the synth crap all that much, it will still be a "sick MoFo axe".  4.  Simplicity is a matter of perception.  It may very well be very complicated to get everything you want into one guitar, but if you only have to lug that one guitar to every gig, well, there is your simplicity.  Anyway, don't listen to me I have no idea what I'm talking about..........

 

[Orpheo]

Hey dude!
About the Mississippi Queen in middle, ask Tim, he is very usefull always (beside he has short time, so short answers, no one page talk, just the important things...)

Are you putting Wenge top for look or for sound????
The neck is going to be multi-laminated or it's what you're thinking about?

the neck is going to be a multi lam neck. 2 pieces of bocote, 2 pieces of pau ferro 1 piece of bubinga (or 1 pau ferro 2 bubinga, whatever is cheapest, haha), and 4 maple fineer spacers (just so the woods can be better seen), topped off with a snakewood fingerboard and bloodwood binding.

it is going to have, indeed, a wenge top. for looks, and sound. the rosewood will give warmth, the wenge will give bit more highs than rosewood, and tightess and 'howl' to the sound.

I will ask Tim to make me a very bright Mississippi queen. almost like their hottest, nastiest, meanest, twangiest telepickup, in the MP-casing.

@bpmorton777

sorry, nop the thing is, a guitar is expensive very, very expensive. for me anyway. this one, and many others, will be between 2000$ and 3000$. I only like les pauls. doublecuts dont do it for me, and dont get me talkin' about strats or tele's. I only like flying Vee's as other guitars (and explorers and sg's to a lesser degree). I tried many strats and tele's, just to sell them all, most of the time I lost money in the process unfortunately. I dont like the shape (well, when others have it: GREAT! I'm happy for them, but I don't wish to own one, its just not for me) and tele's... they seem to me like a limbless man  :tard: I'm sorry, but I will stick to what I like. I want such extreme things in a guitar (regarding woods and pickups and stuff) and if I have that in a non-les paul guitar, I will be annoyed, because it is no les paul. I hope you understand my point a bit? it feels like I'm just talking jiberish righ now

@guitloue:
yeah, I noticed that too  :icon_jokercolor: I've got to get rid of this charactertrait, haha.

about the tremolo: maybe on another, but I'm leaning more and more to having no trem on this one. the reason?  I like wood, and the tremcavity will break the looks too much. the springs vs a nice piece of rosewood...? sacrelige! or am I wrong?

about the synth/piezo: my girlfriend told me not to do it, for a couple of reasons.
1: its too much. its not the clean guitar I want, as simple and allround as can be
2: its so fragile! th preamp, the fragile saddles, the batteries, etc etc. I am quite rough with guitars, and this guitar wont survive that I guess, which is a shame.

guitlouie, you are right about actually, everything. I will keep it as clean as possible, and if I want to have a piezo and/or a synth later on, I can always add that. I always carry 3 guitars to a gig, because I hate to be a stupid ass without a backup if I break a string, and about simplicity?

if I have this one with all the stuff... I need a backup with the same stuff, which is also prone to failure when giggin'....

so. I will listen to my gf. not that she doesnt like guitars, or hates my music, but she's always right when it comes to this....

 

[Wana_make_a_guitar]

Wow

 

[Nando Vallart]

Have you convinced Warmoth to do this neck or it's coming for another builder???

Hummm Wenge don't makes me on the looking... But I'm kinda wanting on a neck, because everybody here likes it so much!

Have you played with a piezo/synth guitar?

 

[Orpheo]

Have you convinced Warmoth to do this neck or it's coming for another builder???

Hummm Wenge don't makes me on the looking... But I'm kinda wanting on a neck, because everybody here likes it so much!

Have you played with a piezo/synth guitar?

I've TOYED with a piezo-synth guitar, but its just so fragile! I can't work with it, unfortunately.

The neck will be from someone else. warmoth just wont do it, because they use CNC's, and this guy just handtools (though electric). The wenge is very 'clean' looking black. with the gold hardware and either the pinstripe or binding (dont know it yet) will give me a clean, black guitar, with a howling, scorching, burnin' tone!

and wenge for a neck? wow. just great but I want something else right now.

 

[Orpheo]

I just got some bad news. the guy who was supposed to make my neck, doesnt make them anymore. at least, not the way I want it to be.

IN other words... I have to figure out something else. Oh well.I should've listened to my girlfriend at teh first place. she said that the multilam neck is a STUPID idea, and that a snakewood fingerboard is cool, but that I'm too addicted to inlay, and to be precise; warmoth's version of the celtic cross....


my new ideas (I want a bocote neck AND a pau ferro neck, and I"m going to get what i want!!!!)

bocote neck/ebony board, celtic cross inlay, binding
wenge top, rosewood back

pau ferro neck, ebony board, celtic cross inlay, binding
rosewood top, wenge back (or bubinga back, padouk top, have to figure that one out).

warmoth, FOR THE WIN!

damn, these guys here can put me on the annual balance: this year, we can be sure of at least xxxxx$, by Mr. Orpheo

the need of this topic has gone, so I close it up