More ridiculously priced Warmoths anyone?
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jackthehack
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Cowboy Hank wants $1299 for ALL his Warmoths:
http://stores.ebay.com/Cowboyhank-Music-Company_Guitars_W0QQ_fsubZ349554919QQ_sidZ98998629QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322
http://stores.ebay.com/Cowboyhank-Music-Company_Guitars_W0QQ_fsubZ349554919QQ_sidZ98998629QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322
He's getting ridiculously close to the big dogs
http://fender.com/products/search.php?partno=0110400706
http://fender.com/products/search.php?partno=0110400706
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But it's made by a real cowboy.
$1300 for a finished ready to go turn key guitar from Warmoth parts........ Now realize that the members of this board are a little different..... but to Average Joe that doesn't build his own guitars, it really isn't a bad price. Yes, there is about $800 in parts in those guitars, and he is asking $500 for his labor. Not too bad really in that perspective. I wouldn't pay it, but I know people that would, if not more. I think that we here take for granted our time invested in building our instruments. Think about it, I'm sure there are tasks that you farm out to a pro. I know I go to the dentist, instead of doing dental work myself...... Some people can't or won't change their own oil in their cars. I mean if everybody did everything themselves, there would not be a job market. The job you do is because someone else doesn't want to do it and would rather pay someone else. Really, think about it..... You wouldn't have a job if your company or boss was so inclined to do it himself. We all work for each other, so to speak.
The only problem I see with buying a guitar made by a genuine cowboy is that you can only play two kinds of music with it: Country and Western!
The only problem I see with buying a guitar made by a genuine cowboy is that you can only play two kinds of music with it: Country and Western!
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Cowboyhank <3
1) Warmoth deals in custom parts.
2) A black superstrat isn't my idea of "custom"
3) Normally, custom doesn't mean "stock, but slightly different." At least not to me
Seeing 3 w's, I would say that he built them all for himself, got the itch to build more, and is selling them for grossly inflated prices to fund his next "toy"
2) A black superstrat isn't my idea of "custom"
3) Normally, custom doesn't mean "stock, but slightly different." At least not to me
Seeing 3 w's, I would say that he built them all for himself, got the itch to build more, and is selling them for grossly inflated prices to fund his next "toy"
Paul-less said:
Yeah I can see that point, too.
Really though I don't think it's a terrible price for someone who doesn't know how to put one together for themself. That was my point, man I mean if it was that he only assembled it, maybe I could agree with grossly inflated But not really, his time is worth something....... That something is the point I guess we are discussing...... What would you think is a fair price for one of his guitars? I'm not asking that in a nasty tone either, please don't take it that way, but what is fair for a turn key Warmoth that has $800 in parts? Can you even build a Warmoth for eight bills if they do the finish on it? I have that in my Turtle, in top notch hardware and what-not, but I finished it myself. $800 sounds about right in finished parts and decent hardware for a plain Jane Strat.
I don't know what Tonar charges, and from what I have seen from his work, I bet most anybody that doesn't have his skills would gladly pay him $500 to do one of his finishes. Just a finish From what I have seen of his work in particular, if he is charging $500 a finish, he is giving his work away!!!
Like I said, these numbers and examples I am throwing out are in regards to Mister Joseph Everyday Public I'm not talking about your average Turtle board member.
Max, again...... I am going to assume here that he is building pre finished Warmoth stuff, if he isn't correct me if I am wrong..... But really I think most people that know and buy from Warmoth are capable of assembling one to a pretty decent standard. Start with quality ingredients and you probably are going to end up with a pretty tasty cake or pie or whatever example you like... You are right about the unknowns you pointed out, yes..... But as I said above, average guitar buyer that is shopping on Fleabay to start has really no idea of what he is getting unless he is going to Cowboy Bob's, sorry, Hank's himself to jam on the guitar. I think that any Ebay guitar purchaser knows that from the start, sight unseen is sometimes really difficult. I know I'd never buy a car or bike on Ebay without first checking it out. A guitar, I may be more willing to throw the dice.... I think a standard Strat build is pretty much on the easy side of the difficulty scale for most of the Turtle's customers, wouldn't you agree with that? All pre-finished stuff with a pre wired pickguard is definately not Jedi Master Guitar Builder stuffMax said:
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http://cgi.ebay.com/2009-Quilted-Maple-Warmoth-Strat-DiMarzio-Rio-Grande-/290426607299?pt=Guitar&hash=item439ec656c3
oh my god.... what a douche!
oh my god.... what a douche!
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I think if people could see Fender's or Gibson's costs for their major parts like they can for Warmoth (or other's) parts, they'd get resentful in a huge hurry and prices would have to drop dramatically. But, when you know a neck costs $300 and a body costs $300 and bridges, tuning pegs, pickups, etc. add another $300 or so, people just add those numbers up, cut 'em half because it's a "used" instrument (even if it's new), and go from there. The fact that you've added labor to the thing just means you might lose less, not that you'll make money. The serious labor is already in the thing for the most part, so that doesn't count. Anybody can buy that, and in the case of Warmoth, do it online with very little risk.
Paul-less said:
It never did to me, either, until I got into the guitar world. I was stunned by the idea of the Les Paul Custom.
"So they make it to your specs?" I asked.
"No. It's just got some better stuff than the regular one."
"That doesn't sound custom at all," I mused.
So now I have a bellwether for whether or not a product is properly custom. I ask, "Can I have it in pink?".
And I'm impressed by the forethought of putting the strap button on the neckplate. Most guitars are horribly balanced and way too heavy, and a better-placed strap button goes some way toward alleviating that.
Kadmium said:
Sounds like Gibson and Harley Davidson have the same dictionary with the same definition of 'Custom'
1200 Sportster Custom, basically the same as a regular 1200 Sporty, with more chrome and forward controls. And an extra two grand to the MSRP, can't forget that part!
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