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vtpcnk

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which according to you are ideal pickups for a sg.

a lot of people (on the www) seem to think that the sg is a 'mid heavy' guitar and so a pickup like the seymour duncan jb adds mids upon mids to the guitar and so is NOT suitable.

a lot of people seem to prefer the gibson 57s for the sg.

some say that a seymour duncan jazz in the neck and a custom 5 is also an ideal combination for the sg.

how about a seymour duncan 59 set? how different is it from the gibson 57?

how about dimarzios? i dont own a single guitar with dimarzios and would like to use them on this sg if possible. the air classic set? the air norton/tone zone combination?

appreciate any insights.
 
It depends entirely on the style of music you play, your amp and how you like everything to be set up. There is no right or wrong pickup for any particular style of guitar. If you are playing metal through a Mesa Triple Rectifer then DiMarzio Evos or EMG 81s would be great in an SG. If you're playing country through a Fender Twin Reverb then those pickups won't be so suitable.

And when it comes to Warmoth you might as well ignore what the body shape is as there's so many different combinations of wood available. Even outside of Warmoth, SGs have been made of mahogany, alder, maple, ash, korina, basswood, oak, walnut, pretty much whatever wood you can think of. Youv'e got bolt-on SGs, set neck SGs, neck-through SGs, set necks with long neck tenons/partial neck-throughs. You name it. There really isn't any such thing as just "an SG".
 
i am talking about a typical set neck gibson sg special - mahogany body/neck and rosewood fretboard.

and btw i also have a set of gibson 496R and 500T pickups which i took out of a gibson les paul studio lite - where it was a bit muddy. these are high output ceramic pickups which are normally featured on gibson flying Vs and explorers which are typically mahogany guitars without the maple cap. any idea how these pickups would sound on a gibson sg?

and i play mostly blues and blues rock.

appreciate any insights.
 
As other people have mentioned, this depends on a lot of variables. However, for blues and rock in a mahogany sg I would think that a vintage output pickup with alnico 5 magnets would work well (something like a Duncan 59 Classic). Personally I love the sound of an SG with P90s, so I would be tempted to try some of the humbucker-sized P90-style pickups (Duncan Phat Cats, Fralin P92s, Z90s, etc). You could also drop in a set of P-rails and have both options  :laughing7:
 
My SG came with 498T/490R and thode were great. I have also had 57 Classics and BurstBucker 1and 2 in there just for grins. The BB's were from my LP Standard, I put Zebra Alnico II Pros in there, they sounded really good but I was looking for something different. The 57's were pretty sweet too. In the end I went back to the OG pups because thats what I cut my teeth on and that guitar did punk and alternative and thrash and thats what I loved that guitar for. My LP was the more buesy rock and classic rock stuff. I think the BB's and 57's would suit you well. Good luck. Let me know if you want to get rid of the 500 and 496.
 
I'm sure no will agree with me, but my planned SG will have a TV Jones bridge, P90 middle, blank neck!
 
Effin wierdo!!!  I used to lust after this special that had P90's in it. It was so raunchy. I loved it.
 
Tweed said:
I'm sure no will agree with me, but my planned SG will have a TV Jones bridge, P90 middle, blank neck!

I agree with you
 
Tweed said:
I'm sure no will agree with me, but my planned SG will have a TV Jones bridge, P90 middle, blank neck!

Maybe work out a way to run both pickups together in series, rather than the usual parallel wiring, and wire in a blend pot....You have started thinking of doing something different, I can imagine those 2 pickups wired together in series would be quite beefy.. :dontknow:
 
regarding p90s, i already have a gibson double cut lp special with lollar p90s on it. it is a thinner version of the double cut and so like an sg in some ways.

so only looking for humbuckers on this sg special.
 
Aussie Pete said:
Tweed said:
I'm sure no will agree with me, but my planned SG will have a TV Jones bridge, P90 middle, blank neck!

Maybe work out a way to run both pickups together in series, rather than the usual parallel wiring, and wire in a blend pot....You have started thinking of doing something different, I can imagine those 2 pickups wired together in series would be quite beefy.. :dontknow:

The problem with running pickups in series through a blend pot is that instead of the usual insertion loss at the center detent, you will have the opposite problem. The volume will be loudest at the center detent, where the load against the pickup is greatest, but as you go to either side to decrease the resistance across one pickup, it's output will decrease. The volume will be lowest when the neck or bridge are soloed, and increase as you approach the center detent.

Also, a blend would be useless for either series or parallel wiring.
In parallel, there will be an impedance mismatch between the P90 and humbucker, which will make blending them difficult. The actual usefulness of blending is also questionable. Most people find pickup selection switches adequate.
 
It does really depend on what sound you want/like. I did this to my SG Voodoo which had Humbuckers..............

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A total transplant of the pickups/pots etc from an old strat I had. Pickups are from Tonerider. I still have to fully shape and finish the pickguard. It sounds great to me :rock-on:
 
vtpcnk said:
...and i play mostly blues and blues rock.

appreciate any insights.

My suggestions:
S.D. Seth Lovers
S.D. Alnico II Pro
DiMarzio 36 Annicersary Pafs (haven't heard those but most people like it)

If you want to spend more money:
WCR Crossroads
WCR Godwoods

If you want a Duncan PAF I would choose between S. Lovers & Antiquities, not the '59. You can see their specs in SD site.

If your SG is a Gibson would be good to change the stock 300k pots with 500k pots.

You can replace two pots with push-push pots for coil splitting & out of phase sounds, you will have a more versatile guitar for clean sounds. Both pickups should have 4 conductor cable to do that.

I had the Air classic bridge in my SG for years. Didn't like it, it sounded thin.
 
If you're talking typical SG for blues and rock, I can't help but think the typical pickups would be right on. Some kinda PAF/59.
 
I've never heard a bad thing about Bare Knuckle Pickups, and I like the sound that SD Pearly Gates cranks out as well.
 
So classic tones in a regular SG. Knowing your amp would help but we can work with this.

My top pick, although it's also one of the most expensive options, is a set of pickups from The Creamery. They're actually not quite as expensive as Bare Knuckles, as they're a lesser-known brand, but if anything their quality and attention to detail is second to none. They are still more expensive than your usualy Seymour Duncans or DiMarzios and since they're made in the UK postage/shipping can be high. It's not a big operation so they really do put endless care into every pickup and every customer gets their full attention. In fact saying "their" is a bit wrong as it's mostly just one guy doing everything himself, one at a time, only to order. I recently bought a couple of sets as the Bare Knuckles I've had didn't impress me and I'm tired of the same old Seymour Duncans and DiMarzios and I have to say the Creamery pickups have blown 'em all away. I hope they get more attention because they really deserve to be heard.

Anyhoo, they make a couple of pickups that would suit you. I can only really talk about the ones I've actually used though, so:
Alnico 4 '57 model: by far the best PAF copy I've found. I've played guitars with real 50s PAFs before and this 57 model seems to have all the same character that those did. He also makes the 59 which is a slightly hotter version, not tried that one myself but I'd expect it to be on par. You've got the choice of alnico 2, 4 and 5 magnets. I went for the 4 in the bridge but that's in a Firebird. For an SG I'd maybe consider a 4 in the neck and a 5 in the bridge.
Humbucker sized P-90: unlike the Phat Cat and the Bluesbucker and the Gibson P-94, this one does actually sound like a P-90. It's certainly a slightly hotter P-90 kind of tone, but it's got the P-90 response all the same. I'm using it in the neck of a Firebird and it's brilliantly crisp; if you fancy some really old school blues tones, that would be a good way to go.
Humbucker-sized Wide Range pickup: Probably my new favourite pickup. Again, I've played guitars with real Wide Range pickups (not the recent Fender reissue which is just a regular humbucker in an oversized cover) and again, these pickups nail that vibe and response perfectly. I'm seriously thinking of putting them in every guitar I own. They've got the really articulate string separation of a single coil but none of the harshness. Alternatively you could say they've got all the power and tone of a humbucker but without any mud whatsoever. They're a tiny bit brighter than the 57 model and they are a lot clearer, though they're not quite as bright as the hum-sized P-90. Definitely a great choice for the neck at least.

He also makes humbuckers with Filteron and single coil voicings. Neither of which I've tried but all indications point towards them being great. They should both be good in the neck position if you wanted a really classic, much brighter tone.


If you don't want to spend quite so much, there are a few options. SD Seth Lovers are great classic neck pickups, though they don't balance well in the bridge. A SD Pearly Gates has a bit more power and bite to it which makes it a great bridge pickup for blues or a near-perfect neck pickup for any kind of classic rock, depends how much gain you use and the exact nature of your playing. '59s may be a bit on the bright side but if your amp happens to have quite a thick or dark tone (e.g. Orange or Vox) then the 59 would balance that out well. A DiMarzio Bluesbucker is an extremely unbalanced pickup that has a ton about halfway between a P-90 and a regular low-output humbucker, though it does use ceramic magnets so the thinner strings can get a little bit harsh so that's definitely only something you'd want to put in the neck position. I've found a DM PAF Pro with the alnico 5 maget swapped for an alnico 2 magnet is a great blues and classic rock pickup although it uses black hex pole pieces so it won't look traditional and you cna't get covers for them, could be a problem.

My top picks for classic tones on a standard SG:
#1 Creamery alnico 4 57 bridge, hum-sized Wide Range neck
#2 SD Pearly Gates bridge, Seth Lover neck
#3 SD 59 bridge, Pearly Gates neck
 
Slight hijack, thanks for the input on the Creamery Ace! I'm saving up for a set and it's always good to read feedback :)

Jaime is great at answering emails and giving advice about your sound. I'm most likely going with a Hum-P90 in the bridge and a WRHB in the neck, possible an A5 '57. Still undecided.
 
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