How should I practice to play like this.

[The Norwegian Guy]

Okay, I'm sitting here with a beer in my hand and enjoying my main influence - Dave Murray
One of my favorite solos is the one he's playing at 2:06  Brave New World
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP1v8uHaSTA&feature=related[/youtube]

He has some insane trills. And I just wonder how I should pratice to build up my speed like that.

 

[Superlizard]

2, 3 and 4-finger hammer-ons & pull-offs, ol' boy.

Tapping will assist as well (lots of hammer-ons & pull-offs there).

 

[Nando Vallart]

He has some insane trills. And I just wonder how I should pratice to build up my speed like that.

Didn't see the movie, but to play fast is only one way: metronome... play licks and stuff on a speed and go increase untill it's hard to play, then keep a while playing this speed... when it's easy and you play on time on this speed, increase the speed...

 

[SlingBass]

He has some insane trills. And I just wonder how I should pratice to build up my speed like that.

Didn't see the movie, but to play fast is only one way: metronome... play licks and stuff on a speed and go increase untill it's hard to play, then keep a while playing this speed... when it's easy and you play on time on this speed, increase the speed...

*I* and others (Jeff Berlin for one) would take overall issue with that statement.  While it's imparative to be able to count and develop a good sense of timing - the notion that practicing a lot with a metrodome is counterproductive.  Without going into long discourse on the topic, myself - read what some of the best players of many varied genres have to say on the matter.  Jazz, blues, and other styles of music are based as much (or more) on feeling as timing.  Listen to recordings of any old bluesman, and you'll discover timing was far from the most important aspect of their music.  And BTW:  just playing licks is NOT really making music.  Now......here I've gone and opened another can of worms  :laughing7:

 

[exaN]

I don't think it is counterproductive, heck, you still need to have a good practice schedule to be productive at all.

Petrucci admited that he practiced with a metronome all the time. The question here is not how to make music, but how to build up speed, and I say: metronome.

For practicing, what I like to do is sit down with a couple new licks I learned, start the metronome at around 108 bpm and increase as I'm more comfortable with the speed. I do that for half the practice. The other half is just free for me to work on my own music writing, jam on a backing track, etc...

That way you can work both technique and musicality separately.

For more tips on how to set up a good schedule, you can read more on here http://www.tomhess.net/

Hope that helps :guitaristgif:

 

[Superlizard]

To expound further:

Once you get good at hammer-ons/pull-offs, you should be able to fly around the fretboard with minimal picking.

It's far quicker to pick once, and then get a slew of notes with your HOs/PUs, than it is to pick every single note.

Unless you're Yngwie, of course...  :laughing7:

Doing it this way (and it's the way Dave Murray and countless others do their speed runs) with give you a smooth, legato feel.

 

[exaN]

To expound further:

Once you get good at hammer-ons/pull-offs, you should be able to fly around the fretboard with minimal picking.

It's far quicker to pick once, and then get a slew of notes with your HOs/PUs, than it is to pick every single note.

Unless you're Yngwie, of course...  :laughing7:

Doing it this way (and it's the way Dave Murray and countless others do their speed runs) with give you a smooth, legato feel.

True. Forgot to say that probably all your favorite guitar players don't pick everything. Think Paul Gilbert, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai and countless others. They mix all the picking techniques together. Picking everything doesn't make you better than anyone, in fact, I personally think that not picking everything sounds a lot better and smoother musically.

 

[mullyman]

I'm going to be Sweden in this metronome debate. Although these old blues guys, or whoever you quoted, say that it's all feel, yeah, for them. That doesn't mean that just anyone can pick up a guitar and play what they feel. I have a bad bad timing problem between my picking and fingering of the frets. If I get any type of speed going my pick gets there before my fingers, and I've been playing guitar for damn near 25 years. I'm not a speed player, and let me say that I'm fully aware that speed doesn't equal great playing. But that doesn't mean that it would hurt my playing if I could shred a little. I've been working with a metronome lately, and in all fairness to these great old players, my picking and fingering are coming together.

Now, with that said, yeah, there are people that are going to be naturally dexterous and will be able to pick it up without a whole lot of metronome usage, but to kick it to the side, nah, I can't fully agree with that.

If anyone out there is having problems with their timing of pick/fingers, let me give you this one. Do your regular practice, for example down pick on the 1st and 3rd ticks. Then switch it around so your up picking is on the 1st and 3rd ticks. I've found quite a few people have problems with their up picking timing as opposed to the down picking. This will straighten that out.
MULLY

 

[Nando Vallart]

He has some insane trills. And I just wonder how I should pratice to build up my speed like that.

Didn't see the movie, but to play fast is only one way: metronome... play licks and stuff on a speed and go increase untill it's hard to play, then keep a while playing this speed... when it's easy and you play on time on this speed, increase the speed...

*I* and others (Jeff Berlin for one) would take overall issue with that statement.  While it's imparative to be able to count and develop a good sense of timing - the notion that practicing a lot with a metrodome is counterproductive.  Without going into long discourse on the topic, myself - read what some of the best players of many varied genres have to say on the matter.  Jazz, blues, and other styles of music are based as much (or more) on feeling as timing.  Listen to recordings of any old bluesman, and you'll discover timing was far from the most important aspect of their music.  And BTW:  just playing licks is NOT really making music.  Now......here I've gone and opened another can of worms  :laughing7:

Hey, he asked: "How do I play faster?" And my answer was a way to improve the speed of your fingers, not even intented to be "how to play music/compose/whatever" just "how to play faster"...

This also helps a lot on timing, I think, as Mully said and I think a bluesman that has no time has no rhythm and therefore is not a real bluesman
Not that I think Mr BB King has played countles hours with a metronome, but I guess he got a great rhythm sense naturally too... But he asked about Iron Maiden, dont?

And I totally don't think that speed is everything about music, I'm more and more into Skynyrd, Beatles, Hendrix, some blues and some 60's and 70's rock and don't think AT ALL that Mr Michal Angelo Batio an company are musicians

 

[SlingBass]

As anticipated...nobody really read what I wrote - you reacted to what you imagined was implied.  Read agin.  Think about. 

 

 

[mullyman]

As anticipated...nobody really read what I wrote - you reacted to what you imagined was implied.  Read agin.  Think about. 

 

Let's see, you said....

While it's imparative to be able to count and develop a good sense of timing - the notion that practicing a lot with a metrodome is counterproductive.

and

Jazz, blues, and other styles of music are based as much (or more) on feeling as timing.  Listen to recordings of any old bluesman, and you'll discover timing was far from the most important aspect of their music.

So, I have to ask, since you put the icon that is making us out to be morons, what exactly did you mean to say?
MULLY

 

[Return of Guitlouie]

I practice with a metronome....sometimes, not always.  I do find that the practice I do with the metronome is boring, but it does have a pronounced effect on the times when I don't.  As far as playing with feeling vs. playing fast, watch Dave Murray, I say he does both.

 

[Nando Vallart]

As anticipated...nobody really read what I wrote - you reacted to what you imagined was implied.  Read agin.  Think about. 

 

I read again and still think the same, he asked how he could play faster... I answered it... Didn't answered of how he could make a own way of play, how to be a better player, that playing licks is the way to become a musicna or whatever...

He made a simple question: "How can I play faster?", I answered it on the most simple way:
"practicise with a metronome playing "stuff", licks, riffs on a time that you can play confortably, then go increasing the beat and practicing, then you'll play faster within a time"

I think this time you're imagining more things than of what I really said... :dontknow:

 

[ironeddie]

practice in order to play like dave murray?  What I do is try to play along with whoever's solo I'm trying to learn.  If there is a tricky part then i memorize that part slowly and go over it with a metronome.  When i can play it 20 times without messing up at a speed, I increase the BPM by 4 (traditionally you could only increase metronome speed by 4 bpm), then I start again.  It may (and probably will) take days and days...  but you'll live  arty07:

 

[TJD]

Ok this subject is near and dear to me. I grew up playing classic rock..Zep, Sabbath, Floyd, Rush etc. I also got in to Yngwie and all the other shredders that followed. I am officially a child of the hair band era with 60's -70's as a base. I always wanted to be super fast and was good at the Maiden hammer-ons etc. But Gilbert-esque speed and legato did not truly come until I forced myself to buy a metronome. I don't use it religiously now but the results in picking accuracy are unquestionable. Did it ruin my "feel" or musicianship? I kinda doubt it. You don't have to like shredder type music...some of it gets redundant..but you probably can't listen solely to blues based musicians or other types without getting bored either. My point is that it never hurts to develop more speed. It's like a hockey player saying "I don't want to be able to skate faster or have a harder shot..that would ruin my feel...blah blah blah. This is not directed to anyone in particular but if somebody is bashing fast playing it's probably because they can't. Plus it's fun and gets the chicks...80"s chicks anyway. :rock-on:

 

[yyz2112]

I used to do this exercise way back in the early 80's for legato:
Start with your index finger on the 1st fret on the low E, pick the first note and hammer the succeeding three frets with your middle, ring and pinky, respectvely. This is an every string every fret exercise, so next you would go to the A string and repeat, so on until you get to high E, then shift up one fret. After you finish the neck, start again with your pinky on the 4th fret, low E and reverse it, pulling off...remember, one pick stroke per string. Start with your metronome SLOW...let's say 60 bpm, and play quarter notes in the beginning, then progress from there.
Of course, you can and should adapt this to scales, which will lead to cool stretching and shifting exercises, as you'll still be playing 4 notes per string.

 

[mullyman]

I used to do this exercise way back in the early 80's for legato:
Start with your index finger on the 1st fret on the low E, pick the first note and hammer the succeeding three frets with your middle, ring and pinky, respectvely. This is an every string every fret exercise, so next you would go to the A string and repeat, so on until you get to high E, then shift up one fret. After you finish the neck, start again with your pinky on the 4th fret, low E and reverse it, pulling off...remember, one pick stroke per string. Start with your metronome SLOW...let's say 60 bpm, and play quarter notes in the beginning, then progress from there.
Of course, you can and should adapt this to scales, which will lead to cool stretching and shifting exercises, as you'll still be playing 4 notes per string.

Yep, I did that one a lot, still do actually. Another one along the same lines is to start just like you did on the first fret E string, hammer the other three notes, then instead of moving up to the first fret 5th string you move to the second fret 5th string........3rd fret 4th string, 4th fret 2nd string, 5th fret 1st string, 6th fret 2nd string, 7th fret 3rd string and continue that pattern up to the 12th fret. Then, turn it around and do pull offs in reverse back to the 1st fret. Works for hammering, pulling and picking each note if you choose to go that route. All good forms of exercise for your fingers.
MULLY

 

[mullyman]

See if this works or not.....

Pick first note on each string hammer remaining 3 notes. Or pick each note using alternate picking.

-----------------------------------------6-7-8-9-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|----------------------------------5-6-7-8---------7-8-9-10-----------------------------------------------------------------------
|--------------------------4-5-6-7--------------------------8-9-10-11------------------------------------------------------------
|------------------3-4-5-6--------------------------------------------9-10-11-12------------------------------------------------
|----------2-3-4-5---------------------------------------------------------------10-11-12-13-----------------------------------
|--1-2-3-4----------------------------------------------------------------------------11-12-13-14------------------------------



Pick first note and pull off remaining 3. Or pick each note using alternate picking.

--------------------------------------------------------9-8-7-6---------------------------------------------------------------------
|-----------------------------------------------10-9-8-7---------8-7-6-5---------------------------------------------------------
|-------------------------------------11-10-9-8--------------------------7-6-5-4------------------------------------------------
|--------------------------12-11-10-9--------------------------------------------6-5-4-3---------------------------------------
|--------------13-12-11-10--------------------------------------------------------------5-4-3-2-------------------------------
|--14-13-12-11---------------------------------------------------------------------------------4-3-2-1------------------------