help finding wiring diagram

[jasoncounce]

I need help finding wiring diagram. I have looked everywhere on this site and all over the net with no luck. Here is what i'm trying to do. 3 single coil generic hotrails,( like the ones found on ebay for around $20 a piece) with a 5 way switch 2 tones and a push/pull volume ,and use it to select single coil or humbucker. I bought something similar once in a prewired pickguard and thought they sounded real good for the money...Anyway I tried using the semourduncan diagram for same setup but that didnt work as i guess pickup wire colors are wrong. Any info would be great. Thanks :dontknow:

 

[bagman67]

I don't know about the specifics of the diagram you're after, but this might help with the color-coding:


http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=color_codes

 

[line6man]

Can't be done. You need three poles to do that, and you only have two on a push/pull.

Of course, you could always just switch two pickups, and leave the third in one configuration all the time.

 

[Jumble Jumble]

You can do it with a single push/pull. One pole is used to ground the series connection if the middle pickup. The other grounds a wire that is then connected to the common contact of one side of the five-way. The series link wires from the neck and bridge pickups are then connected to the neck and bridge contacts on the same side of the 5-way. This means that with the switch pulled out, the middle pickup is always split, and the neck and bridge pickup are split in those positions in which they are active.

 

[Jumble Jumble]

Here's the diagram for what I've described above. Without knowing anything about the pickups you have, I can't help any more than that.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=3lil_hum_1v_2t_5w_3splits

 

[Dan025]

Can't be done. You need three poles to do that, and you only have two on a push/pull.

Of course, you could always just switch two pickups, and leave the third in one configuration all the time.

fortunately the 5-way has 2 poles and only needs one, especially if you only want one tone like a normal person.

to the op. you will need to map out the wiring of the pickups. get a multimeter and note the arrangement of the wires for the stock pre wired pickguard. it will help figurung out the phasing.

the series connection is changed for the middle pickup so in single coil mode it uses the opposite magnet and coil from the pickup.

 

[line6man]

Can't be done. You need three poles to do that, and you only have two on a push/pull.

Of course, you could always just switch two pickups, and leave the third in one configuration all the time.

fortunately the 5-way has 2 poles and only needs one, especially if you only want one tone like a normal person.

to the op. you will need to map out the wiring of the pickups. get a multimeter and note the arrangement of the wires for the stock pre wired pickguard. it will help figurung out the phasing.

the series connection is changed for the middle pickup so in single coil mode it uses the opposite magnet and coil from the pickup.

No, you need both poles to have two tone controls.

Though you could always hardwire a neck and bridge tone control, rather than switching a neck and middle.

 

[Dan025]

that was my point if you only want one tone like a normal person the 5-way only needs one pole. if you want 2 tones you have to have one pickup with out a tone.

 

[jasoncounce]

I dont know if I made this clear but the diagram form SD above and the same one in a link above is the one I already tried and doesnt work with the generic pickups. The pickups have four wires but the colors are different. I matched them how I thought would work but didnt.

 

[Jumble Jumble]

No, you need both poles to have two tone controls.

Only if you want to have a tone control that affects more than one pickup. If you want just a neck and mid, or neck and bridge, or whatever, you only need one pole, as shown on the diagram.

I dont know if I made this clear but the diagram form SD above and the same one in a link above is the one I already tried and doesnt work with the generic pickups. The pickups have four wires but the colors are different. I matched them how I thought would work but didnt.

Right. But there's nothing we can do to help you,  going from "the colours are different". You haven't even told us what the colours are!

 

[Dan025]

I dont know if I made this clear but the diagram form SD above and the same one in a link above is the one I already tried and doesnt work with the generic pickups. The pickups have four wires but the colors are different. I matched them how I thought would work but didnt.

i thought i made it clear that you have to map out what the wires are connected to. knowing how the pickups were wired on the pre assembled pickguard would help..... so get on getting that information and i'll explain how to make it right.

 

[stubhead]

"I matched them how I thought it would work" isn't gonna get you to close to the Wizard's Castle, I fear. You need: a multimeter, a pencil and a piece of paper. You've got a North coil, a South coil, and two hot leads and two grounds - one hot and one ground for each coil. By a process of elimination, you can figure out which pair of wires go with each coil - set the multimeter on the "20K" number, and the completed circuit for each coil will read somewhere between 4K to 12K. Write down which is hot & ground for the North coil, and hot and ground for the South coil. (Which is North and South is kind of arbitrary, you just have to decide).
https://www.google.com/#q=test+guitar+pickup+with+multimeter

Once you have this info, everything else becomes do-able. Without it?
"I matched them how I thought it would work" - if my insty-math here is right (highly doubtful), you have a 1/16 chance of getting it fixed thataways - you need to know what they do.

 

[Jumble Jumble]

I think it's actually 1/3, so not too bad if you wanted to go the trial and error route. There are 12 possible ways to wire up a 4-conductor pickup, and 4 of them will result in a humbucker wired in series and in phase (ie correctly).

 

[Cagey]

I dont know if I made this clear but the diagram form SD above and the same one in a link above is the one I already tried and doesnt work with the generic pickups. The pickups have four wires but the colors are different. I matched them how I thought would work but didnt.

You don't have enough information about the pickups to do anything meaningful. You need to get the wiring color code from the manufacturer or you're SOL. An ohmmeter (multimeter) will tell you which coil is which, but that's as far as it goes. You won't be able to determine polarity or start/finish or "hot/ground" with just that. You pretty much have to tear them apart to determine those things. Otherwise, you're going to have to play combination games, rewiring until you get something you can at least live with, which may not be optimal.

Didn't they give you any documentation with the things? Do you know who made them, and what they're called? Surely somebody on the 'net has more data than price and delivery. You can't be the only person who's ever bought/used the things.

 

[Jumble Jumble]

This video should help.

[flash=420,315]http://www.youtube.com/v/7UfxQBhqen8?hl=en_US&version=3[/flash]

 

[jasoncounce]

This is the description on the Ebay ad ;                                                                                                                                  100% Brand new, never used
Item 100% like the picture shown
Twin "hot rail" style twin coil humbucker STRAT neck pickup
4 wires for coil tapping.
Two pole pieces and is fully shielded for low noise and wired for hum cancelling .
This pickup has high output power.
the Resistance between red wire and black wire :appro 4.98 K
the Resistance between white wire and green wire :appro 4.98 K

 

[Cagey]

This video should help.

[flash=420,315]http://www.youtube.com/v/7UfxQBhqen8?hl=en_US&version=3[/flash]

That's very interesting. I'd forgotten the value of analog meters, and never knew the tricks he's showing. I've bookmarked the video - that's some good info. Thanks!

 

[Jumble Jumble]

This is the description on the Ebay ad ;                                                                                                                                  100% Brand new, never used
Item 100% like the picture shown
Twin "hot rail" style twin coil humbucker STRAT neck pickup
4 wires for coil tapping.
Two pole pieces and is fully shielded for low noise and wired for hum cancelling .
This pickup has high output power.
the Resistance between red wire and black wire :appro 4.98 K
the Resistance between white wire and green wire :appro 4.98 K

That helps a little, I'll do a longer reply a bit later on today.

 

[Dan025]

This is the description on the Ebay ad ;                                                                                                                                  100% Brand new, never used
Item 100% like the picture shown
Twin "hot rail" style twin coil humbucker STRAT neck pickup
4 wires for coil tapping.
Two pole pieces and is fully shielded for low noise and wired for hum cancelling .
This pickup has high output power.
the Resistance between red wire and black wire :appro 4.98 K
the Resistance between white wire and green wire :appro 4.98 K

that tells us the pairs that go to the coils but not the polarity. still if this is true the duncan diagram should actually work since the red and white are for different coils, as well are the black and green which means that red/white should work as a series connection, as well as black and green with the possibility of it being out of phase, so it could sound weird but still work... so you may have another problem. you should really get out a multi meter and try to chack continuity across those pairs to see if you get the same results.

another question is what two wires were soldered together in the original pickguard?

 

[jasoncounce]

Original pickgaurd? Everything is new never been used or wired up...