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stubhead

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD3iaURppQw

It's a classic example of what's sometimes called the "Caucasian clap" - tap your foot along with this, and notice what beat the folks are clapping to. Then keep tapping through sneaky Harry's little "mistake" between 0:40 and 0:44 and notice what beat they're now clapping to. Heh, heh, heh. He turned 'em funky despite themselves! :icon_thumright:
 
line6man said:
StubHead said:
It's a classic example of what's sometimes called the "Caucasian clap"

That sounds like a nasty STD. :doh:

I suppose you could call it that, and not be entirely inaccurate, even if not in the normal sense of the phrase...
 
StubHead said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD3iaURppQw

It's a classic example of what's sometimes called the "Caucasian clap" - tap your foot along with this, and notice what beat the folks are clapping to. Then keep tapping through sneaky Harry's little "mistake" between 0:40 and 0:44 and notice what beat they're now clapping to. Heh, heh, heh. He turned 'em funky despite themselves! :icon_thumright:

Hehe! "Caucasian clap". Kinda what Steve Martin suffered from in "The Jerk".

What's interesting in that clip is around 1:30 or so, when the rest of the band comes in. It's like the FOH guy decided to zero out their monitors so nobody could hear what anybody else was doing. Out of time, out of key, out of luck. A perfect jazz moment (read: train wreck), except nobody's being obvious about tuning up throughout the balance of the piece. "OMFG! My G string's 1.3 cents off! Wait... this will only take an hour or so to fix...you guys go ahead"
 
LOVED the "mistake", but yeah.. 1:30 sucked. One of the rules of jazz(generally speaking) is that you don't solo while someone else is soloing. It sounded like everyone in the band wanted a *little* bit of Harry's glory.... And honestly, when you are playing for someone, you're lucky if you get a solo, DO NOT STEP ON THE MAIN ACT'S TOES!!!

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I dunno, Harry C. Jr. comes out of the Louisiana tradition, which to me suggests the Dixieland phenomenon of numerous players improvising simultaneously.  To me, that sounded more like what was happening when the band kicked in.  Not perfectly smooth, but dudes, it's live jazz.


In any case, listening to that kind of piano playing always makes me wish I knew how.  Thanks, Stubby.
 
I just think it's really funny - all the polite people clapping on 1 and 3 like it's a Peter Paul & Mary concert or something, then at 0:44 they're clapping on 2 and 4 - without a clue as to what happened. I think it had to have been pretty hard for Mr. Connick to do that.
Quick! Name the top five black Polka bands! :cool01:

Ragarding when the band comes in, it's excitement! It's entertainment! they're not trying to play any thing.... You can see the producers dug up the "early thirties well-dressed hot-babe demographic* to stock the front rows with, now all they have to do is teach them the other "dirty blues clap."

*(As opposed to the late-teen/early twenties hot-babe demographic that saturates the front row of any music concert video, Idol, Voice and and that crap - is it possible to make a living in Los Angeles by sitting in the front rows of shows if you just look right? It does take a minute bit of talent, in that these babes can sing along with the choruses of brand=new songs that have never been released or on the radio! So they're e-mailing them song lyrics and tracks before the taping.... interesting line of work, pimping for the eyes only :laughing3: Maybe for the eyes only....)
 
Well, the signature of a true pro right there. He switched their asses up and they had no idea. Brilliant. I love seeing stuff like this.

I was watching Van Halen's soundcheck at the Budokan back in 98. On that tour, when they would play your really got me, they would slip some other song in the middle of it then come back and finish with YRGM. At the end of the soundcheck Gary Cherone asked the band "What song are we doing in YRGM tonight?" and Alex replied with a title, sorry, I don't remember what it was. Anyway, Eddie jumped in and said "The rhythm and the beat don't match on those two" and Alex replied with "They will tonight" and left it at that. They didn't run through it. When they were doing the show I knew it was coming and I was thinking "here we go, I'm gonna see a train wreck" and my eyes and ears were totally focused on what was about to happen. I have to be totally honest, they didn't miss a beat. Everything was as smooth as silk. Even looking for it I couldn't pick up on it. As much crap as I've given Alex Van Halen over the years, he truly impressed me that night. They truly impressed me. But, they are 40 year, top of the mountain, worldwide famous, professional musicians. That's what they do.....I just wish I could do that on the fly like that.
MULLY
 
To be fair - isn't this the same Stubhead who was crusading against 'The Tyranny of the Drum Set' where the downbeat is ALWAYS kick drum, and the backbeat is ALWAYS snare, and subdivision is ALWAYS the hats? Maybe we're just funkier than you know.


Nahh, we're just a bunch of honkeys. 

I tend to clap in one of the following manners: 1) contrary to what other people are doing (I figured I might get your support on that one Stub), 2) on the more INTERESTING beats. Sometimes it is the downbeat.  2&) if there's a cool baDUM prebeat, sometimes I'll pick that up- but that's almost always feet, seldom hands, and never clapping. 

There are a number of songs, where you can immediately identify it on the radio by just drums before any pitched instruments kick in. On first blush this is a 'Well duh!', but give it some thought and recall how many times you've heard | I  vi | ii V  | I  vi | ii V  ? Enough times that the progression is named after the song.  The verse to  "You Shook Me" is really carried by the kick/snare.  There's not a lot harmonically or melodically going on in it. But right off the top of my head, I can't think of many other drum beats that you would instantly recognize if you heard it recorded (well) by someone else. 

Anyway - you know where 2 and 4 are. They'll be there when you're done. They have been for decades. They stand on their own without my help. Where most players get REALLY lost though, is in 3, 6 or 9. I've actually had quite a bit of fun rocking 3/4 and even 6/8. It lends itself to a whole nother world of phrasing and opens a  can of brand spankin new vintage cliche's nobody has every heard before, because they're not inundated with them constantly. In the car, in the elevator, on their ipod. on the radio. Think about it - Jazz & Classical musicians aside - when's the last time you even HEARD something in 3/4 time? Weeks? Months? Christmas?
 
It's actually one of the weaker points in my playing, and it's not going to get better until/unless I have context to apply it to. I can hang in five and seven, but eleven, fur-geddit. Unless it's "Whipping Post" or some other exercise where I'm really playing memorized notes rather than the time. I think you almost have to find someones else interested in it and work on it together, because if I record an "eleven loop" - I already know what's going to happen! And what fun is that... my timing used to be a lot better when I was playing with more people.

I have the utmost admiration for people who can seemingly step off, and on, the train at will. Giggle if you want, but the Garcia/Lesh/Godcheaux/Kreutzmann machine of 1970 to 1974 could get, like, impossibly lost - then found - at will. And them goddam foreigners... I read a concert review of Debashish Bhattacharya, certainly one of the greatest lap steel guitarists in this or any universe. His brother the table player introduced a 10-beat cycle where it "didn't" belong, so playful li'l Debashish began soloing over it - in an 11-beat cycle. And every 110 beats it would come back together - and every 110 beats, the Indian audience would applaud when it did! Meanwhile the white folk wander the lobby, looking for beer...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAt1Q8MSVKo

run this ahead to the 43 minute mark, Bhattacharya's playing a few themes and riffs from sometimes-collaborator John McLaughlin. Mahavishnu Orchestra licks on slide guitar, oh sure. And if you play that last song "Nata Raaj" at my cremation I promise to jump up outta the urn and do the dust-devil boogie. Send castanets...
 
swarfrat said:
Think about it - Jazz & Classical musicians aside - when's the last time you even HEARD something in 3/4 time? Weeks? Months? Christmas?

I play country music, we waltz all the time.  :cool01:
 
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