Cabronita Strat?

[B3Guy]

Just a concept I threw together for fun. It's like a Cabronita Tele because of the TV Jones pups and the smaller pickguard. The Strat pup routes are the "EMG" type according to W. Did the measuring, and I'm pretty sure if the bridge S pup is straight, (as opposed to angled), you can squeeze the TV Jones pups inbetween, rear route style, of course. (IDK if the amount of wood between each pickup would be too fragile and thin, mebe they'd all technically go in one big pup route.)

just put in a standard W rear route control cavity, along with the TV and EMG pup routes, and manufacture the smaller pickguards (the bottom horn of the pickguard loops nicely around the traditional 5-way switch position.)

spent quite a while trying to come up with a nice knob placement. traditional strat doesn't look horrible, and neither does a LP 2x2 parallelogram, but both could look better. Feel free to take this image and mess around with it just for fun. I think 5 mini toggles would come in more handy than the 5-way, but again, it was difficult to arrange them in a tasteful pattern along with the knobs.

 

[reinhold]

With all of those routes so close together, they would probably have to end up giving it a swimming pool route.

 

[m4rk0]

hahaha... great minds.....

I was going to do 2, a hard tail with the fillertrons, and a floyded one with humbuckers...

I should have a mockup at home (at work at the moment)

here is my idea for a hotrodded tele cabronita

 

[B3Guy]

With all of those routes so close together, they would probably have to end up giving it a swimming pool route.

that's what I was thinking. They definitely fit, and they're definitely really close together, so a gap would likely go unnoticed for the most part anyway. But it would have to be a correctly sized pool, not the one they do now, which is too big. to keep things clean and separate, you could put some rectangles of appropriately thick pickguard material in-between. I like this concept because it makes the insane number of pickups actually look somewhat classy-vintage by using the TV Joneses, and it allows for the use of a standard fender setup along with a pair of potentially decent humbuckers.

Even if W just did this pickguard for rear-route strats in general (not necessarily with this pup configuration), it would be awesome.

IMO, Strats need some pickguard to look "right". Without it, they just look awkward. That being said, a standard strat guard covers a large area of the body, and therefore also a large amount of any nice figured wood. Is this pickguard a happy middle ground? I think so.

 

[Dan025]

with 7 coils you'll need some fancy switching but i think you could get alot with just a 5way super switch and a push/pull. push could be standard strat and pull could be either hxh with a coil tap option and a half oop option or it can be a hsh. of coarse the options are nearly limitless with that many coils but i would want it to be understandable to the user. or it can have a 5-way as well as a 3-way toggle for standard strat and standard gibson. the two circuits can be discreet and the guitar can be stereo and switched with a foot switch or powered by 2 amps. think about it, 2 amps, 2 pedal boards, 2 ab selectors, 2 pickup selectors. one guitar. gretch and strat sounds overlaid on top of each other each with a signal chain that compliments the pickups perfectly. i like it!

 

[B3Guy]

Yeah, I've thought a lot about options and wiring. I was thinking it would be immeasurably epic with two separate outputs (stereo), with 5 mini toggles, setting which pups are sent thru to which output. (3 position toggles, with one position being output a, the next output b, and the third outputs a+b.)

Of course, with 5 pups, you run into issues trying to get tone and volume knobs for every one. (not even considering for every one in every channel.) concentric stacked knobs are therefore a must. I must say, 5 concentric stacked knurled chrome knobs (each being tone and volume for one pup), would be the crazy way to go . . . it is tempting.

I must say, though, that I lean towards something more simple. 5 toggles, one for each pup, lined up where the 5-way switch usually is. 5 tone knobs, one for each pup (concentric stacked, of course, adding up to 2 1/2 concentric knobs) . . . leaving one knob on the last concentric open for a master volume. This adds up to 3 stacked knobs, totaling 6, but contained in 3, preserving a fairly standard strat look. (I would also, inside the control cavity, put some trim pots for dialing in each pup's volume to be equal with all the others.)

 

[DangerousR6]

Just a concept I threw together for fun. It's like a Cabronita Tele because of the TV Jones pups and the smaller pickguard. The Strat pup routes are the "EMG" type according to W. Did the measuring, and I'm pretty sure if the bridge S pup is straight, (as opposed to angled), you can squeeze the TV Jones pups inbetween, rear route style, of course. (IDK if the amount of wood between each pickup would be too fragile and thin, mebe they'd all technically go in one big pup route.)

just put in a standard W rear route control cavity, along with the TV and EMG pup routes, and manufacture the smaller pickguards (the bottom horn of the pickguard loops nicely around the traditional 5-way switch position.)

spent quite a while trying to come up with a nice knob placement. traditional strat doesn't look horrible, and neither does a LP 2x2 parallelogram, but both could look better. Feel free to take this image and mess around with it just for fun. I think 5 mini toggles would come in more handy than the 5-way, but again, it was difficult to arrange them in a tasteful pattern along with the knobs.

Pretty cool idea, but maybe ghost the single coils under the pick gaurd and just leave the TV's exposed...

hahaha... great minds.....

I was going to do 2, a hard tail with the fillertrons, and a floyded one with humbuckers...

I should have a mockup at home (at work at the moment)

here is my idea for a hotrodded tele cabronita

Looks good Markeau, but needs TV's not hums.... :icon_thumright:

 

[B3Guy]

the ghosting idea is one I have toyed with for a long time, but the quality of ghosted pups seems to be potentially compromised. Also, this pickguard doesn't really go around or over the pup routes, So ghosting would require a different pickguard. The route is "rear route" style (which I never quite got, because the pups are still installed in the top of the guitar, not from the back.) maybe the S pickups would look good in matching color to the guard. (unfortunately, this pic is a white guitar with white pups, which blend in a little. If they seemed like an extension of the guard, maybe that would help things.)

 

[tfarny]

Nice idea, but to me a big part of the la cab appeal is the simplicity of one or two pups, 3-way, hardtail, no tone control. Having 5 pickups and a complicated wiring setup just doesn't seem right for a throwback-type of guitar. I dunno.

 

[B3Guy]

nah, I gotcha. and obviously, that would be even easier to put together. I was really just combining two of my concepts into one: the cab strat pickguard idea, and the strat+TV idea. kinda two separate ideas, but as they were related, I combined them.

 

[JaySwear]

I really like the idea, but I think an HH strat with TV Jones would be cooler than all those pickups. But then again I am all for versatility! But I don't know if those strat pickups could be so close to the humbuckers. Most strat pickups (and I think tele neck pickups) stick out at an angle on the bottom plate. Not all though, so it's definitely possible. I think a La Cabronita LP Junior would be awesome too :icon_biggrin:

 

[Nando Vallart]

Man, this S-X-S-X-S is such a monstrosity :tard:

 

[B3Guy]

I really like the idea, but I think an HH strat with TV Jones would be cooler than all those pickups. But then again I am all for versatility! But I don't know if those strat pickups could be so close to the humbuckers. Most strat pickups (and I think tele neck pickups) stick out at an angle on the bottom plate. Not all though, so it's definitely possible. I think a La Cabronita LP Junior would be awesome too :icon_biggrin:

EMG route/style  :icon_thumright:

yeah, I know it's a bit obnoxious, but really, think about what it would let you do, without really being overly complicated. I'd rather have lots of pups that I switch on and off than have a bunch of knobs to pull and push to tap coils and all that mumbo jumbo. And this way, each pickup has its unique sound, rather than trying to get lots of sounds out of a pup that it is not meant to make.

yes it looks a little insane, but not completely un-tasteful. at least there's some variety of plastic and chrome covers, etc. Not saying I would do this (although it is tempting) . . . . If I did, I'd just swimpool route and use a full pickguard. Might throw a normal PAF in the neck/mid position, and put only a TV/Filtertron in the bridge spot for some twang. (so 4 pups). I really don't know.

I really just needed a senseless project to fiddle with. I have been staring at the same still life for 3 weeks now (drawing it for 6 hours a week as well as photographing it . . . Thanks, professors for deciding to use the same subject matter) . . . so I really need a break. Arranging pickups in crazy combos is my way of unwinding.

 

[Superlizard]

I would only do a Cabronita Strat if Esteban endorsed it.

 

[DangerousR6]

Man, this S-X-S-X-S is such a monstrosity :tard:

Nando, you mean...S-H-S-H-S..... :icon_biggrin:

 

[B3Guy]

The transference of this concept onto my preferred body finish, pickguard color, neck wood, etc.

 

[m4rk0]

oh no, I don't like the additional strat pickups at all...
lose those and it will be a great strat!

 

[B3Guy]

'tis crazy, 5 pups, I know . . . but they'd fit, and give a lot of options. And I don't think they really look awful, do they? Anywho, here's what you wanted I think.

 

[m4rk0]

Yes, I would own that!!

 

[B3Guy]

the "tele style" fretboard makes a critical difference on this IMO. Would Warmoth do that on a Strat headstock?